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a near 12,000 word anonymous hit piece on Émile Torres on the EA forum has some gems in the comments.
the top comment basically calls it out as someone airing their personal grievances.
next comment feels the need to call out Torres and Gebru are big bad bullies:
and my personal favorite, that Marx's drive was more akin to rationalists than current leftists, because leftists for the "last ten-fifteen years just [haven't] been very rational"
I don't think I have seen Gebru do that, or at least not often and when she does she quote tweets people like Stephen King having a bad take. She is way more aggressive about all the various wars and genocides going on in Africa atm which we are all ignoring. You can also see that despite her huge following the actual interactions she gets is pretty low https://x.com/timnitGebru https://xcancel.com/timnitGebru. But lets just ignore reality like how we are ignoring those wars and genocides in Africa.
And it keeps being amazing that the guy who wrote that hitpiece is defending the people behind the grievance studies hoax oddly silent on Lindsay however, I assume that any stalking by Torres was also done vs Lindsay but I guess EA no longer defends innocent conspiracy theory anti-Semites (He has gone so nuts that the other hoax people tried to make him turn it down a bit, but no idea if he stopped).
The promptfondlers have learned (by way of multiple public thrashings) not to get into technical arguments with The Parrot Posse, so tedious innuendo about communism and cancel culture is all they have left.
But cancel culture is real, see what they did to the guy who leaked Scotts emails. ;)
Did that dude get canceled?
iirc he retracted his leaks after pressure from the community, it was all very shooting the messenger.
they deleted the leak tweet shortly after it was posted but after it was already firmly archived
I don't recall them commenting since
That piece has been referenced here before, but thanks for diving into the comments. The one about Marx is pretty funny, I'm sure the commenter has only read the Cliff Nots of both Marx and "current leftists".
It’s funny how they’ve taken on Marx and Communism as an unmarked Good Person in a weird sort of half troll (remember Musk claiming to be a socialist? to say nothing of Ms. Boucher as a cosplay elf reading the communist manifesto). It’s not quite like American racists and capitalists claiming Dr. King would have Supported Them, Actually, because it’s half serious (people like leftism so unfettered wealth acquisition is the real leftism) and half trolling. They’re trying to get props and have a haha-j/k back door out of the claim at the same time.
Apparently she wasn't reading it, it was a troll, she had borrowed the book for the photo-op. So it is actually worse.
I think a big part of Marx' appeal back in the day was that he was fully slotted into the rationalist milieu of the time. Identifying an impersonal, inevitable "march of progress" that wasn't religious was a powerful idea for some people.
(btw the Communist Manifesto is 150 years old and could have been written yesterday, at least the first part)
By all accounts, postwar Soviet union was a pretty sexist and racist place. It's no wonder the "old guard" communists look at today's blue-haired leftists and sound just like crusty old fascists.
If you see a reactionary impulse as a desire to go back to an imagined past, the "old guard" communists (who mostly didn't seem to have lived under communism) aka the tankies, being similar to crusty old fascists (who also didn't live in a fascist regime, or in the world depicted by 50s americana postcards/commercials) makes a lot of sense.
It's ironic that there is a "good old days" of (state) Communism, seeing that it was supposed to be the end of history.
(side note, back in HS I saw a graph illustrating the Marxist theory that successive revolutions lifted human civilization up a series of stairs (pastoralism -> city states -> feudalism -> centralized kingdoms -> bourgeois capitalism) up until Communism where these steps became an ascending straight line... and I though "hey, why does the line straighten out just there???")
They never said which end
Obviously the arse end.