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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Honestly, no. What "AI" needs is people better understanding how it actually works. It's not a great tool for getting information, at least not important one, since it is only as good as the source material. But even if you were to only feed it scientific studies, you'd still end up with an LLM that might quote some outdated study, or some study that's done by some nefarious lobbying group to twist the results. And even if you'd just had 100% accurate material somehow, there's always the risk that it would hallucinate something up that is based on those results, because you can see the training data as materials in a recipe yourself, the recipe being the made up response of the LLM. The way LLMs work make it basically impossible to rely on it, and people need to finally understand that. If you want to use it for serious work, you always have to fact check it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

People need to realise what LLMs actually are. This is not AI, this is a user interface to a database. Instead of writing SQL queries and then parsing object output, you ask questions in your native language, they get converted into queries and then results from the database are converted back into human speech. That's it, there's no AI, there's no magic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

christ. where do you people get this confidence

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Sure, if by "database" you mean "tool that takes every cell in every table, calculates their likelihood of those cells appearing near each other, and then discards the data". Which is a definition of "database" that stretches the word beyond meaning.

Natural language inputs for data retrieval have existed for a very long time. They used to involve retrieving actual data, though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Try to use ChatGPT in your own application before you talk nonsense, ok?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

yeah this isn't gonna work out, sorry

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You understand that even LLM’s boosters would describe it the same way I did, right? I hate the damn thing, they adore it, but we all agree on the facts: it’s not a data retrieval system, it’s a statistical pattern generator.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Cool story, bro. Ignorance is a bliss.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

do read up a little on how the large language models work before coming here to mansplain, would you kindly?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

this is an unwise comment, especially here, especially to them

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I love coming in and seeing I don’t even need to reply, all y’all are already at it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

every now and then I'm left to wonder what all these drivebys think we do/know/practice (and, I suppose, whether they consider it at all?)

not enough to try find out (in lieu of other datapoints). but the thought occasionally haunts me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I'm not sure they have theory of mind, TBH.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

data based

/rimshot.mid

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

This guy gets it. Thanks for the excellent post.