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Do you not see the contradiction in your statement or are ya just stupid. Russia going bankrupt could be considered a victory condition. Especially if concessions such as Crimea can be forced in a peace deal.
Russia isn't going bankrupt.
What might happen is they just run out of bodies and the country collapses into civil war, 1917 style. Petrostates don't go bankrupt, they collapse violently.
Potato patoto, regardless Ukraine can claim victory. If Russia runs out of manpower and implodes id consider that a win.
You really don't care about Russian citizens and conscripts, do you? Do they deserve to die?
The citizens? Irrelevent, unless it can gain notable strategic advantages IE Dresden. The Conscripts? Yes. They could turn their rifles at any time they couldve draft dodged but they didnt, they deserve same as the Japanese, Germans, and Italians during WW2.
No no, I mean civilians are going to die if Russia actually collapsed like that. That's a bad thing.
I have the radical belief that death is bad. I guess liberals are too bloodthirsty for the flesh of "orcs" to remember the human cost of endless war.
Dude im a socialist, aint a liberal. I just happen to be bloodthirsty and of the opinion that a collapsed Russia is also a declawed Russia. They cant exactly conquer other nations if theyre balkanized.
Balkanization was a tragedy that resulted in immense suffering and immiseration of working people across the former USSR. It enabled total capitalist hegemony and ushered in our current new guilded age of inequality and imperialist superexploitation.
If you support making that even worse by destroying Russia and her people you aren't a fucking socialist. You're a Western chauvinist, supporting the US/NATO agenda of total domination over everything everywhere forever.
There can be peace without destroying Russia.
It aint chauvinism if I want to balkanize every country, just happens that Russia is at the top of that list . Also im ideologically descended from my ancestors philosophies, it just happens to align most closely with socialism.
Maybe im insane for wanting to devolve the world into a veritable Holy Roman Empire of political and national insanity. I just wish to see a second springtime of nations.
You just so happen to want to start with America's enemies, which will just so happen to increase America's geopolitical strength in Europe and Asia.
The USSR split up peacefully. Russia will not. Millions will die, and that's if they don't fire off all their nukes in their death throes.
Yeah, my wants align with the US to a degree. But the thing is thats cause the US is a solid counter weight to empires like China, Russia, and India.
Also the collapse of the Russian state can be lessened in the same way the collapse of Yugoslavia was, just dont let the UN give orders. As for the nukes, so fucking what? The Ruskies have been using it as a scare tactic for so long I kinda want to see them do it. But lets be honest their probably in some way shape or form broken, worst case scenario we find out what it looks like when a nuke flies backwards and blows up its operators.
A country of 23.5 million vs 147.2 million, with GDPs of $120 billion vs $2.2 trillion. Leaving aside the nukes, these are very different things.
Adding in the nukes, maybe they don't blow up all their neighbors. Maybe they all just die. That's a bad thing you fucking psychopath
Aint a fucking psychopath just thoughly apathetic. As I stated I doubt their nukes even work let alone anything the nukes need to work. Also arent most of Russias nukes scattered about in semi-remote locations? Oh no a couple goats a bridge got vaporized.
Anyways the economic size is irrelevent. The fact of the matter is without an oppressive authoritarian oligarchy suppressing everything its possible that the newly created countries could have economic booms. For example damn near every country released after ww1.
Being apathetic to human suffering makes you a psychopath.
Its apathy to hypothetical human suffering.
And a willingness to gamble with human lives.
Both your proposal of inaction and my proposal of action will do that. At a certain point it becomes a matter of statistics, which has the best outcome. And as loathed to admit he had a point Stalin put it best "A single death is a tragedy a million is a statistic"
My proposal is peace talks, actually.
The Ruskies could pull out and enter them any day now. Theyve had what 2 years and they havent. Well with the exception of those jokes they made where they kept all of the Donbas.
The fact of the matter is the ball for peace is on the Ruskie side of the court. They could go home any day they damned well wanted to, put it down as the Russian federation version of the Vietnam war.
They can't, because Ukraine is promised NATO membership when the war is over. That's kinda their own fault for escalating this into a war, but now that it's on the table they can't pull out. They kinda fucked themselves into never retreating from this stupid disaster and without some kind of peace deal that guarantees Ukraine doesn't join NATO the war can never end. They're fucked.
"Oh well they can just let NATO sit right on their border!"
America almost started WW3 over the Cuban missile crisis, having a hostile neighbor like that is an existential threat that can not be allowed.
The matter of NATO expanding into Ukraine is Russias fault, now its their problem. As I said the ball is in their court. Play stupid games win stupid prizes, actually this is kinda like a Greek Tragedy they feared what would happen and sowed the seeds to cause it to happen.
Regardless retreat is always an option, also theres fuck all stopping Ukraine from entering an alliance with the US seperate from NATO. Actually I say we do that, maybe Putin will have a stroke.
Retreat isn't an option because NATO expanding in to Ukraine isn't an option, and that's basically all their fault. They fucked themselves.