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Thousands of Palestinians attempt to return home to northern Gaza, but face Israeli fire | CNN (www.cnn.com)

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Thousands of Palestinians, including men, women, children and elderly, attempted to return to their homes in northern Gaza on Sunday when they came under Israeli fire.

“We reached all the way to the checkpoint until we saw Israeli tanks. We headed back because they fired towards us. We didn’t see anyone make it to the other side. We risked our children’s lives to cross, but apparently it was all a lie,” one woman said.

Video shows several people with what appear to be gunshot wounds. One man is seen carrying another man who has blood streaming along his face from a head injury.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The consequences of your actions may not be your fault but you are responsible for your choices and how they impact others. If you choose to take an action, knowing that it will likely increase the harm towards others, that is on you and others are free to judge you for it.

Anti-electoralism is accelerationism with a fresh paint of coat and voting for a third party in FPTP is functionally indistinguishable from supporting the conservative party. If you help Trump get elected, you are complicit in and share responsibility for every LGBTQ and POC person harmed or killed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Don't point the finger at me, I didn't have anything to do with how we got to now. My apathy and others like me are not the problem... Take aim at the ones that are really to blame. I vote with my conscience, and if that means no vote, so be it. None of you will convince me otherwise with your attacks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Don't point the finger at me, I didn't have anything to do with how we got to now. My apathy and others like me are not the problem...

You're an enabler. Like Andy Dick giving drugs to Phil Hartman's wife. Sure, Andy didn't pull the trigger but the situation would have been less likely, if not for his actions. You don't just get to wash your hands off it because of not directly committing the acts.

Your apathy is exactly the problem as it enables the bad behavior. Why do you think so much has been invested in encouraging voter apathy over the years?

I vote with my conscience, and if that means no vote, so be it

Clearly, your conscience doesn't consider trans people or people of color then.

None of you will convince me otherwise with your attacks.

This is exactly who I'm not really trying to convince you but rebutting fallacious reasoning so as to try to convince others. You're so invested in your belief that you've incorporated it into your sense of self and perceive anything that challenges it, regardless of factuality, as an attack.

I'm not attacking you. And I don't think most of the others are either. What we are attacking is the fallacy of believing that one is not responsible for the known consequences of their actions due to voluntary near-sightedness. It's not missing the forest for the trees, nor even the trees for the twigs, but missing the individual leaves for the individual plant cells; absolutely ignoring all context, interconnectedness, and cascading impacts by focusing only on the minutiae and rejecting anything else.

You're not a bad person for feeling this way. However, it does lead to a high risk of embracing courses of action on premises that do not hold up to scrutiny and are ethically questionable to those embracing wider world views.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Then you are naive. You can say you’re not to blame, but if Trump wins and things get worse (and oh boy will they get worse), Trump voters and those who didn’t vote for Biden will be to blame. Full stop.

Does it suck we don’t have a more progressive candidate in the general? Absolutely. Is there anything that can be done at this point to change that? No, there are only 3 choices to make, and all but voting for Biden will help Trump in some way.