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I feel that this is what we should be using instead of the current illogical time system.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I'd personally prefer 12 months with 30 days each, a 6-day week (makes for even rotations in shifts, 4 on 2 off), and an inter-calary week of 5 to 6 days at the new year.

If we're going for broke on this I'd also want to convert to the dozenal system over decimal, as 12 is more easily divisible by smaller numbers which means easier division for numbers we use more often (like 3 or 4), which means that ¼ would be 0.3 and ⅓ would be 0.4.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I like that with 13 each month starts on a Monday and ends on a Sunday. Makes that calculation super easy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

True. But I think as long as the weeks aren't cut up by months it's still a massive simplification.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

With six days a week for a 30-day month, each month would also start with the same day.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Fuck it. Lets get real and just go all the way back to Sumeria. Sexagesimal numbering system here we come.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

12? Ew. As someone who relies on my fingers to count I repudiate such discriminatory system!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You still get to count on your fingers. You use your thumb to count each bone in your 4 fingers to get up to 12. ("10" in the new system). Then you have the option to either continue with your other hand up to 24, or use it as an abacus, keeping your place while you count up to 144 ("100").

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You expect me to remember all that? Which thumbs? How many knuckles? When? Who?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

you can still use your fingers. it's how we got our standard of time. Back then they counted the joints in our fingers minus thumb. 4 sets of 3 for our four fingers and 3 joints per finger. Then 5 sets of 12 to make 60. as they would use the fingers on the other hand to track how many times they counted to 12.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My favorite system like this is the Oksapmin counting system. They use a base 27 system. It's based upon counting upper body parts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The Babylons had a great counting system using the segments of their fingers

Thought I prefer the binary counting system

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So, like, I understand the binary one, I see what you did there and all. But a system where ☝️ means "2" is just wrong.

Also, what number is the shocker?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

A dozenal system is more difficult in multiplication. Decimal: 10^7 =10000000, 10^8=100000000, 10^9=1000000000, etc.
Dozenal: 12^7= 35831808, 12^8=429981696, 12^9=5159780352.
Gets very messy very quick.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In dozenal (duodecimal), 6+6= a dozen, but we write "dozen" as "10". A dozen dozen is not 144; it is "100". 3 dozen is not 36; 3 dozen is "30".

We would have two additional digits between 9 and "10".

We would have to rewrite our multiplication table entirely. 2 * 6=10. 3 * 6=16. 4 * 6=20. But, when we do memorize the new table, it is just as consistent and functional as our decimal system.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

In base 12 12^7 would be written as 10000000 too.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's because you're working in base 10. That person wants to covert to base 12.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

In which case teaching kids to count becomes more difficult because we have ten fingers

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Unless you use your thumb to point to the phalanges of each finger.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Ok that's me convinced. I'm on board train dozenal!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Since we can count to "10" (12) on one hand, we can use the other hand to count sets of "10", bringing us up to "100" (144). With decimal, we're stuck at 20, and that's only if we're wearing sandals.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

If you're pointing to the last phalange on both hands, that would be "110" (156) though wouldn't it. Since it would be "10" x "10" + "10".
We could also use this method to count to 100 in base-10 using only the first 10 phalanges of the hand.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Wait till you hear about these things called inches!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah that's true.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I would say that at the very least we could adjust February by taking a day from July and August and the extra day every four years could be added inbetween them as a "monthless" day in the middle of the summer.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Wow. A dozenal system sounds useful! We should use it for measuring distances!