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cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/8569504

How is the hydrogen made?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Any evidence to your claim?

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/natural-gas/natural-gas-and-the-environment.php

Natural gas is a relatively clean burning fossil fuel

Burning natural gas for energy results in fewer emissions of nearly all types of air pollutants and carbon dioxide (CO2) than burning coal or petroleum products to produce an equal amount of energy. About 117 pounds of CO2 are produced per million British thermal units (MMBtu) equivalent of natural gas compared with more than 200 pounds of CO2 per MMBtu of coal and more than 160 pounds per MMBtu of distillate fuel oil. The clean burning properties of natural gas have contributed to increased natural gas use for electricity generation and as a transportation fuel for fleet vehicles in the United States.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It does result in higher methane emissions, which have a ln ~30x larger greenhouse effect than CO2.

See here: https://youtu.be/K2oL4SFwkkw

Edit: Looks like metane's GGG co2 equivalent is 27 to 30 over 100 years.

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/understanding-global-warming-potentials

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Burning natural gas isn't so awful but getting it out of the ground and to the place where is needs to be burned is always overlooked. It's a gas, it wants to escape and much of the infrastructure leaks and so a great deal is lost before its used. I walk around Boston and no joke you just SMELL it all the time because the infrastructure is so old. Natural gas is also mostly methane which when leaked is 80 times more potent than CO2. Furthermore much natural gas needs to be transported on ships to be uses. To summarize there is no 'greener' fossil fuels it's all to be avoided if possible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

methane is odourless so you're likely smelling the additive they put in "town gas" for safety

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Really 80 times?
I had 4 times in memory

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Behalve jij en ik dan

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Cleaner than coal is a very low bar. 60% of the emissions of coal is still way too much

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's the states for actually burned natural gas. Natural gas is basically methane and is therefore not too good for the climate when it leaks (which it does)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oil leak is detectable via sight, methane is only detectable via a device, either a sensor or a camera.

Both is shit for the climate when leak.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Oil extraction leaks methane in a comparable amount to natural gas. Every local survey points that coal extraction leaks more methane than natural gas, but those numbers are safely suppressed from consolidation into actual studies.