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You mean like the bodycam video that it's in the article? The one that clearly shows at least one of them wearing a vest that has 'POLICE' written on it while they repeatedly tell him to unlock and open the door? and after being told multiple times to unlock and open the door, saying he will, so the cops on the drivers side all back off to let him out and then he starts blasting at the one on the passenger side?
There was absolutely no confusion at the point when he started shooting that they were cops.
You can buy those patches on Etsy. Get a police car, get someone in their actual uniform. They're the one that engages the driver with commands. Not this mob style shit they're doing.
Wow. I think it'd be hilarious to see you in court claiming you shot at a police officer because you thought they were fake. Bonus points if you mention etsy.
I guess if they actually were fake, you'd have a point. Kind of like when cops shoot at people who they think are armed.
It's not winning a court case we're worried about. It's not knowing it's the police and getting killed because you thought you were being attacked.
The police have a duty to protect and that should include how they conduct themselves.
No they don't.
This guy clearly knew they were police, which is why you see so many apologists claiming that you can buy fake cop things online. They legitimately think that's a rational belief; assume the people pursuing criminals aren't actually police.
I'm glad the real world is a bit more rational than what goes on here.
If they don't have a duty to protect then they're just a well funded gang and they should be disbanded; by force if necessary. And if the world is so high minded and rational why are there so many stories of criminals disguising themselves as cops?
Not really. If police departments just sit around and do nothing, then the communities funding them would (hopefully) do something different after enough crime goes unpunished. This isn't a guarantee, but is typically what happens in Western societies.
We've already experienced life without cops. It was called CHAZ and it wasn't long before the upstanding citizens inhabiting it started murdering each other over petty things like respect and material goods.
Like it or not, without cops real criminals would have their way with you. This is because you can't fight and you don't own guns. That means anyone who can fight or has a gun can take what they want from you because you can't defend yourself. All the mental health care in the world won't stop them or protect you.
It's a pretty simple concept, but reality tends to get warped if you just believe whatever is upvoted on these forums.
Ah yes because the only options are an official gang that can do whatever it wants and Anarchy. There's nothing at all between the two and the cops are the only thing protecting us from the horrible no good criminals. Sure thing buddy.
These are police vehicles, with lights and sirens, you can see them in the video. That's not easy to fake.
They're unmarked, any lights and sirens are low profile stuff in the grille or passenger compartment. And yeah you can buy them.
And you get in a massive amount of shit if you have them on your vehicle, too.
You apparently get in a massive amount of shit of caught without your seatbelt too, yet here we are.
This wasn't really about the seatbelt, the police knew what was going to happen. You don't have four people with guns drawn for that.
"The police knew what would happen when a squad came out of an unmarked car wearing plain clothes brandishing guns..."
Well, they at least hoped.
They had bulletproof vests marked as police, and the car had lights and sirens
I'm seeing one guy with a vest that said "police" and he wasn't the one at the door.
Yeah, but that hasn't stopped people. That's why it's important for police to not blur the line. Even one actual police car with one officer in their full uniform would remove the ambiguity.
I don't think it's realistic this person didn't know these people were police, if it was a rival gang or dealer etc, they would have simply opened fire on him without trying to get him out of the car.
He knew they were police, and he knew he was in trouble.
Robbers, including ones going after drug money have impersonated police. You don't know what they want, this isn't Hollywood where gangs are in a 24/7 war. You don't even know if he was in a gang.
I'm aware, Al Capone quite famously did it.
It's pretty unlikely they'd pull a stunt like that in daylight, and in such a public place though.
What patch? The guy in the car was up on illegal weapon charges and illegal carrying a weapon. He didn't shoot because he didn't know who they were. He shot because he didn't want to go back to jail.
This is the rational response, but there are plenty of irrational children here whose growth has been stunted by these forums.
The one you so ably pointed out. And if our prisons are so bad people would rather die than go back we should probably fix that.
Would rather die? He would rather fight than be punished.
Damn, seeing how you guys twist facts and argue in bad faith really puts things into perspective than me.
Most of ya'll are too removed from reality to ever be brought back. These forums are just your containment zones, lol.
Nobody in the criminal world thinks they're going to shoot at police surrounding them and come out alive. He didn't think he was getting into a fight and then going to prison again.
Lol. You speak for all criminals in all instances? Nobody has ever won a shootout with the police?
I guess that's what makes you removed from reality, lol. Thanks for proving my point.
Nice loaded language! It really makes it seem like this guy has a 6 star wanted level rather than being pursued by 2 cops in an unmarked vehicle.
This is why rational people do not take you seriously.
Did you watch the video? It was 4 cops, one to the right front, two to the left front, and one to the left rear. That's not a scenario in which you successfully shoot your way out. And I didn't say nobody ever won, I said with the police surrounding them.
Great. It's also not a scenario where a rational person would think they're fake cops.
So we can debunk the notion that he was acting in self-defense because he didn't know they were cops. He'd rather take his chances in a shootout than the guarantee of prison and the cops were justified in killing him.
It's funny watching your rhetoric defeat itself.
lmao, you don't have an argument except to make a declarative statement and act as if it's the truth. You're not debunking shit, the military and criminal gangs use the same tactics because they work. That's not going to tell you it's the police.
Is it really that hard to just have a single uniformed officer and a single properly marked vehicle be there?
Sure bud.
That doesn't appear to be a patch. Unless the prison comes with 24 hour massage and blow job service, very few criminals are ever going to want to go to jail. There is no fixing that. Maybe instead of trying to defend someone who would rather shoot at cops than face his illegal actions you could spend that effort teaching people like that not to be like that.
Face what actions? Why was he stopped in such an aggressive manner again? A seatbelt?
And no the choice isn't torture or blowjob.