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Well, what do you think about Zelenśkyj?
I like him. Am I not supposed to?
Lol
No, actually.
ad 1: You already know what would happen to Ukrainian spies in Russia. They can thank their lucky stars for still being alive and held in a country with actual morals. ad 2: You already know what would've happened to pro-Ukrainian parties in Russia long before 2014. ad 3: All the while Putler is trying to take his country back to that "romantic" era. Seems to me like what's good for Putler can't possibly be good for his sworn enemies. ad 4: That's how fucking martial law works.
Seriously what do you expect national policy to look like when you're being invaded? Just let others spy on you, meddle with your national politics in parliament, weaken your resolve? When war starts shit gets fucking real really fucking quick. Putler has declared Ukrainians sub-humans, inferior to the "actual Russian/Slav", he is abducting their children. This is genocide and it's just mindboggling how people in actual free countries manage to twist the narrative into such directions like "Ukraine should just sue for a ceasefire".
Especially you with your Black-Red-and-Gold profile picture should know how well suing for peace worked with Hitler. Dictators just take what they can until they are dictators no more. Putin will take whatever he possibly can for as long as there is still a breath left in his body. He will rebuild his military, no matter how long it takes, he will model Russia's economy after North Korea's and you already know he absolutely will be back for more of the same.
Putler this, putler that, put some sense into your brain bro lmao. You're just using buzzwords you see in the media, it's incredible that you own a brain but seem incapable of using it.
Bold of you to assume they have a brain
Suspending elections until war is over is encoded in their constitution.
That does not make it better in any way.
Maybe take it up with the people who wrote the constitution.
Those people prefigured the situation, much like the US founders created the structural framework for disenfranchisement, racial capitalism, and global imperialism. We can't take it up with them, we just need to assess it soberly. Contemporaries do not get free passes merely because the precursors were created by now-dead peope
That's all well and good, but they're under attack by Putin, a Nazi who accuses everyone of nazism. Opening elections at this point would just encourage idiots to vote for their oppressors.
Is this projection?
Being anti-democracy and calling more than half of ukrainian people idiots, typical westerner behavior.
@[email protected] is literally a sea lion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
If their communists are anything like the swedish ones they are just "tankies". They'll love russia and china with the reasoning that they are "not usa" and therefore automatically good. This has been a huge issue for the european "far"-left for ages.
Most of what you listed is just attributably to being at war. Elections are impossible to hold during war and the crimea-thing is just posturing at this point which mean very little.
Since I am a Swedish communist and know plenty of them, I feel it might fall on me to say that you are just being ignorant and judgmental. There has been a fair share of naivety in the ranks of the left wing parties in Sweden, but that was much more notable during the 1970's than it is today. I don't know any communist or socialist in Sweden that argues in such simplistic terms like "not USA is automatically good", that's just an insane claim to make. And while we're at it, most of the western world seem to agree that "not-Russia is automatically good" with all the head-in-the-sand shit the west is pulling over Ukraine. I believe you are touting prejudice against communists, like so many before you have done. It doesn't do anyone any good.
I agree that it had changed to the better in the last 15 years or so. It's still an issue elsewhere though.
Yes it's such an issue for the European left to have people with principles, who are right all the time and can think beyond elections to enact change.
Don't make me laugh, social Democrats would sooner vote with the far right to prevent the actual left from winning elections.
Historically, no.
You should go in the middle of Kiev and shout this. Pretty soon, some armed thugs will pull up, strip you, beat you up, throw green paint on you then tie you on a street lamp and piss on you. It's not posturing.
These supposed consequences are nothing more than stochastic threatening from you.
Oh yes. Because of course I made it up. There's not hundreds of videos of exactly this scenario happening.
The last time anybody was mobbed was in the early part of the war when they were looting. You can't show any proof of your claims.
So you believe the people who tied other people naked to lampposts in winter? Those people? That's who you believe when they tell you they were totally justified in tying and beating up people and leaving them to freeze to death?
Sometimes I wish Russia would actually invade Europe so we could get rid of fascists like you. You're the kind of idiot who would have sent Dahmer's victim back to him like the police did when he fled the apartment.
Euros will always call travelling people thieves, because euros are extremely racist.
Why does he have so much support from NATO countries considering these points?
Because NATO is not "pro-democracy". Portugal under the Salazar regime was one of the founders of NATO.
Look who’s just figuring out that nato is just rebranded imperialism
I'm not arguing, I'm just honestly asking questions. Why is NATO imperialistic? From my perspective, they are trying to help an independent country defend itself from people who are trying to take it from them by force.
No investigation, no right to speak
Oh, and I'm not pro-Russia - fuck Putin - but the Donbass etc voted to secede to Russia and the Ukraine bombed the shit out of them...so yeah. The US and, by extension, NATO, are supporting the war to keep it going because it's a proxy war because Communism scary.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Treaty_Organization
NATO actively pushed the Ukrainians into this war, because what is happening here is a proxy war. NATO, US and EU officials openly admit this, and even brag about it.
This war didn't start in 2022. It started in 2012 with the Maidan coup.
Furthermore, if you think NATO is not an imperialist organization, then I don't think you've been following what has been going on in the world since its inception.
I'm still a bit confused. It was Ukraine that was attacked by Russia and needed to defend itself. How did NATO push them into war?