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Sure I'm going to go to the third party. I recommend you all do the same unless you're in a swing state. Dr. West and Claudia de La Cruz are actual good candidates.
Curious are you in agreement with West that NATO and the west are to blame for Russia's Invasion of Ukraine? He opposes funding for Ukraine and wants to end the conflict giving Putin parts of the sovereign nation of Ukraine.
Curious if you are in agreement with Biden's support for genocide?
Biden supports Ukraine defending itself from the genocide Russia is committing in Ukraine.
Crazy how you couldn't answer that with a no. Maybe think about that a little my dude ✌️😎
But Biden doesn't support genocide so there is nothing for me to say no to. West has never mentioned the genocide of Ukrainians. That is ok with you?
Biden supports Israel's genocide of Palestinians. Which you're ok with apparently.
So we both support genocidal maniacs. Cool
No, not really see. Biden is actively supporting the Israeli side of the Palestinian genocide. Dr. West is not funneling arms or money to Russia. So your original point actually works against you.
I think you should pay more attention to politics.
West supports blocking aid to Ukraine and is complicit in Putin's invasion. Why hold Biden to such a high standard yet give West a free pass?
Do you really not understand the difference between actively supplying arms to and supporting a nation that is committing a genocide and just not supporting a country that's being invaded?
Those are two wildly different things and if you really think they're equivalent then this conversation is not productive.
Biden has an initiative to build a temporary pier in the Gaza to facilitate aid deliveries by sea. Biden has called for a cease fire in Gaza which has pissed off Israel.
West is against all aid to Ukraine. He has never mentioned support of any kind for Ukraine and has been almost entirely silent with any criticism of Putin. He is a monster.
Naive
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2024/3/4/what-lies-behind-the-biden-administrations-changing-ceasefire-language
I guess you intentionally chose an old article because Biden just, for the first time, refused to veto a UN resolution calling for a cease fire several days ago. Yet West still refuses to comment on Putin or the genocide in Ukraine... placing blame solely on NATO for Putin's actions.
What about West ignoring Ukrainians and any aid at all? Does he get a free pass?
No
he called the invasion illegal.
Illegal but acceptable it seems. Giving in to Putin will never stop him.
he never said it's acceptable
He did. He wants Ukraine to accept that Russia has stolen their land and people. If it wasn't acceptable then he would want them to fight back.
you're mischaracterizing and making leaps of logic.
West is willing to accept Russia's demand for parts of Ukraine. That would be a requirement to stop the war. Unless you think West thinks Putin will give back what he has stolen?
he never said that
So what is his position? He doesn't support Ukraine defending itself. What does he support? He has stated he supports a negotiated end to the war. Negotiated. What do you think that means? It can ONLY mean Ukraine negotiates how much land Putin is allowed to steal.
he could mean total withdrawal and reparations. you are making leaps of logic.
Ok you're trolling me. Or do you believe in any situation where Russia is not defeated yet agrees to total withdrawal and reparations?
anything is possible if cornel west is elected
West shares Trumps view of Putin and would allow to re-arm and attack again. Both are opposed to NATO which would lead to a US exit of NATO and a large proliferation of nuclear weapons as countries can no longer rely on the US nuclear safety net and would have to build their own. The only reason we have so few nations without nuclear weapons is the existence of NATO. West/Trump are a threat to humanity.
for different reasons. I oppose NATO, too.
Whats the alternative to a group agreement of protection and limit to nukes like NATO provides?
abolition of states
What do you mean? Abolition of the idea of sovereign countries?
yes
Then just abolish violence. Just as easy.
the existence of the state doesn't abolish violence, so why should that be the standard?
Wishing for all states to just stop existing is just as likely as wishing for all violence to be abolished. Why waste a wish?
i'm not wishing. i'm organizing.
You are organizing to convince nations like the US and China and Russia to just stop existing? Just convince people to get along and to stop being corrupt. Nations are fine if people get along.
I'm organizing locally to build power outside of the state.
you have no evidence for this
Evidence: Russia completed the theft of Crimea(while denying their active invasion of it) and immediately built up forces for another attack while denying it would ever attack Ukraine again all the while talking about how Ukraine isn't a real country. There is no evidence Russia will stop until it controls all of Ukraine as they have said they wanted to do many times.
West and Trump want to trust Putin...a verified(many times over) liar and willing to break agreements and treaties at any moment.
when did either of them say they trust putin? especially cornel west?
Negotiating for peace implies trust that the peace treaty will be followed...otherwise why negotiate the treaty?
right. that doesn't mean that they have said they do trust him.
They haven't said it but they would HAVE to do it to negotiate as they said they want to do. Yet Putin has proven himself untrustworthy over and over.
Spoiler, they alllll do.
Biden supports funding Ukraine and supplying weapons. West and Trump support surrender... as though Putin wouldn't just attack again in a few years.
Someone downvoted, but this is the right answer. Maybe the phrasing should have been reversed. I'll do that here.
I live in California. My vote doesn't matter in that we know California will go blue. Therefore, I can vote my conscience and not vote for Biden because the threat of Trump is neutralized. If people voting for third parties in safe blue stats start trending, Dems will be forced to try to appeal to said voters (the possibility of a third party getting covered in a meaningful way is unlikely at present).
I used to live in Kansas. Kansas was always a red state. It seems like it's become pretty close there now. I would not vote my conscience in Kansas for this election. It's possible that it could be a swing state. The threat of Trump is too great to take the risk.