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Imma gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this one…
Naturally there's a fog of war on any breaking news, but give it a few months look back and see if the information was correct or not. If it was a lie, than congratulations you get to feel good about yourself. If it turned out to actually be true, then it's time to work on your media literacy.
It's not reasonable to expect people to look into stuff they do agree with, but for something they don't? That's an easy first step.
Yeah, I am not gonna feel good about myself either way because it’s a horrible attack on innocent civilians… what I am calling bullshit on is that a state sponsored TV station pushes unverified shit that plays right into the hands of an imperialistic state that started a war totally unprovoked.
Every time I read a fucking comment like this I get whiplash when I realize you aren’t talking about the USA here, lmao.
Oh I feel you… they have made some epic fuckups and the current one unfolding in regards to the conflict I Gaza is really… ‘effed up. But I can hold two thoughts in my head… even though I’m a libturd.
Yet another person who believes it all started in 2022.
Been getting some mileage out of this quote lately lmao
No, I am fully aware that this war has been raging for a decade… but the annexation of Crimea was as unprovoked as anything else that Putin has done. It’s just that when you 8 years later start to move the goalpost to include “Military Special Operations” and not calling it what it was from the start… well then you got some ‘splainin to do.
I'm guessing you prefer mainstream sources so please look up Chomsky and Mearsheimer for the 'splaining you so crave.
I would rather have the one that presents the claims also back them with verifiable evidence, is that to much of an ask? That is how the scientific method usually works and I can’t see why we can’t apply it in this case.
Yes and that's exactly why you got smacked with that Mao quote. Go learn instead of regurgitating propaganda the mainstream media feeds you, we've heard it all a thousand times.
I mean. If your debilitating porn addiction leaves you with any spare time of course. We've all got our priorities.
He ain't even read the quote bro! SMH
Ok, so I have to admit… I skimmed the quote and missed the great wisdom of looking at the past and present… correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Russia promise not to touch Ukraine if they handed over their nuclear weapons? But sure, things change… holding up one’s end of the deal hasn’t really been on the agenda for Russia, UK, US or most of the “great” nations of the world.
I think you need to do some more investigating. The core cause of this conflict is and always has been NATO and the West.
The entire point of NATO was to counter the USSR and deprive other nations of the freedom to choose their own economic system and force their own (capitalism). When the USSR fell, instead of dissolving as they'd lost their purpose, they continued to expand (and this was after they had promised not to) eastward, eventually threatening to reach Russia's borders.
You see, the West has always wanted to punish Russia for their 1917 Revolution, by breaking up the country and dividing it up amongst themselves like they did with the Middle East (which also is partially why there's conflict in Palestine right now), so of course when their biggest threat to their capitalist world order collapsed they wanted to ensure it's destruction.
You can Google the rest. The Euromaidan coup, Odessa massacre, Azov Battalion, Stepan Bandera, Minsk Agreements (both Germany and France had admitted that they were there to help Ukraine build their army), there's a lot of information about this that goes beyond "Russia attacked poor Ukraine in 2022 for no reason".
Why would ukrainian involvement suprise you? They are at war, stuff like this tends to happen. Do you think the entirety of the ukrainian military is morally flawless?
On the contrary, I am a firm believer that war can’t be fought without one bending and bashing one’s morals… with that said, they never asked for this and I am not defending a heinous act of attacking innocent civilians, just the peddling of unverified crap.
True, but this post is just an image drawn in a silly style. Hard to take it seriously.
I have no reason to doubt the validity, but as of writing this I also have no reason to believe it. It would be nice to see something from AP, NPR, or something like that.
I admit I have not looked.
Lol you have no reason to believe it because the very news sources you want have done nothing but toe the US government's line of supporting Ukraine, everything is fine in Ukraine, Russia bad (Russia has been bad since the goddamn 90s after the USSR fell), everything Russia says is a lie and should never be believed.
Ah yes, the famously non-ideological and trustworthy AP and NPR.
I often see people express this comment, then shy away when I ask to sit down with them and have them go through the site and point out their inconsistencies. I suspect because you are parroting something you heard from elsewhere, and not because you possess the details yourself. However, like it or not, these are some of the publications that adhere to the highest level of journalistic ethics that we have on this planet. Do they have a tilt, YES, because there is no such thing as a completely unbiased publication because they are generated by humans. Does that harm their credibility? No. Because they are open and forthcoming with any conflict that may exist, and because there exist rigorous journalistic standards created over the past few hundred years of reporting. My sources adhere to those standards, what other benchmark should I look for?
Could you elaborate on which journalistic standards do you find them lacking? Feel free to reply and share them.
So here are the key points:
Name a publication with less bias.
Name a publication with a longer history of breaking stories.
Name a publication with a longer history of protecting story sources.
I'll wait. We have all the time in the world here. You can reply at any time.
To summarize your stance, you are letting perfect get in the way of good.
Share your better sources, we are all curious.
I would be happy to add the sources that you prefer next time, assuming they have as robust of a history, story correction, admitting when they are wrong, issuing corrections, openly disclosing their funding, etc.
So, which publications are better? I notice you left that out of your reply, please edit your post with your preferred sources, or reply here.
Throwing stones is easy, can you back it up? Please enlighten us.
TLDR : Criticism is easy when you don't follow through, follow through and tell us which sources we should trust more than AP and NPR.
I don't need to provide an alternative to point out that something is bad. I don't need to follow the hyper-liberal norms and practices that you're so fond of on sites like reddit, it simply is not a requirement.
It's a strange twist of logic you have that no one can have an viewpoint counter to yours without providing you an alternative to your liking. Grow the fuck up and learn how to be critical of news sources, or at least how to find sources critical of them. If you're so good at reading and research and understanding it really should not be an obstacle for you.
You come into this thread high and mighty about your (self-perceived) knowledge and wisdom only to spout ignorant nonesense in reply after reply and then cry when people call you out on it. Intellectually, you are a coward; emotionally, you are a child.
Here's my counter tl;dr for your reddit-brain: Get fucked.
The criticism is that the AP and NPR even more platently are not Journalism but blatant propaganda. They do not care about the Crtique as they just shout at it and hope it hides
Can you show me an example of a propaganda article? I haven't heard anyone share this type of opinion about either source before so I'm definitely curious what I have been missing. I usually browse either website for updates on what's going on in the world.
But I'd definitely change my view if you can show me a few examples of propaganda articles. I feel like I'm missing something but open to learning.
You're not getting it are you?
Every piece of news that comes out of the West is propaganda. Propaganda so you keep believing that capitalism is good, the West is good, to the point you can't even tell what is or isn't propaganda.
The fact of the matter is, they are gonna want you to maintain these thoughts about Russia being bad, they just "invaded unprovoked", because if people discover that they've been lied to this entire time they'd be pissed off and never believe anything they had to say again.
Well. The sensible ones.
I guess I'm not getting it, but I am sincerely trying.
To your elaborarion, I think that the cracks have been forming in unregulated capitalism for a long time, and I agree that there is a neoliberal tilt in even the most well-meaning of journalism. It took me a very long time to see it because it (capitalism) was the background to everything. Only when I started exploring philosophy and economics did I understand that there were alternative ways of life.
I appreciate your replies because I agree with you more than I realized. The good news is that I also believe the upcoming generation sees the flaws in capitalism as well, and they're as sick of it as we are.
I don't follow your meaning on the Russia stuff, but appreciate your time and effort. I'll give your words more thought.
The claims that Ukraine has planned and financed this horrid attack, the claims Putin himself introduced, hasn’t been verified at all and the Kremlin hasn’t been able to produce a shred of evidence.
A transparent and open dialogue showing the world this alleged evidence would probably shift public opinion, maybe not in supporting Russias claim on a sovereign state but perhaps making other states think twice in supporting Ukraine.
And as to supporting my opinion, I have tried to wade through all the bullshit that everyone is peddling, be it CNN, BBC, NPR, Al Jazera or RT and what everyone seems to agree on is that it is ISIS-K and they were pretty effin’ quick to take on responsibility.
True, when digesting information we must adhere to a rational and emotion-free mindset, or we will be tricked by the interest who hires the best propagandists.
You are what you hate about reddit
Nah, I liked the content that I subscribed to… mostly open source news and porn… what I wasn’t fond of was the hijinks they pulled regarding their API and 3rd party app development.
r/lostredditors
Yeah, you are probably right… looking around everyone seems pretty much lost.
😂 exactly lib
Oh holy crap… you didn’t waste any ammo there did you now champ…
Just find your lack of introspection funny bud
What’s wrong with open source? Or are you referring to my porn consumption?