Last time it was when we released 'The CIA's Shining Path', this time it's because they took issue with ProleWiki's Bordiga page lmao
that Bordiga page doing a lot of work with just two little sentences, they hate it so much lol
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Lol the obscure thinkers part is very true. I used to think people knowing about these obscure figures were very knowledgeable because they had read all of Marx and Engels etc. and moved on from them as they had no more to learn there, but most of the time it turns out they went straight to those obscure guys and let's just say there's a reason they're obscure.
Yeah, it was very strange having someone talk about some minor economist from the cultural revolution period (whose name I can't remember) but was unable to actually mention anything about Deng's policies while claiming they were all colossal failures. And also successes, because he was a revisionist, so his economic decisions were in a quantum superposition of both failing (because he's a bad, incompetent bad guy) and succeeding (because he was an evil capitalist roader revisionist). It was very surreal to see and was probably the point I realised that Maoists just flat out don't have worthwhile arguments, just empty rhetorical devices designed to confuse and obfuscate everything so they can "win." Funny how despite being "more left" than MLs, they function in the same way as liberals when it comes to trying to convince other people of their ideas.
I added a large edit in the meantime, I think you missed it due to the timing of your reply haha
Oh yep, looks like it lol. I couldn't agree more, a big part of the "twitter maoist" phenomenon does just seem to be western chauvinism, they want to play at being revolutionaries, living vicariously through revolutions in other parts of the world, while they stay safe and comfortable in their western existence, not actively waging PPW in their own countries, despite boasting about it's "100% success rate"
That redsails article is spot on as well, and my god does it make Maoists mad. I've shared it before and their response is a hilarious "stop sharing that article, I'm sick of people always telling me to read it."
I had some guy (who claimed they weren't a maoist but refused to elaborate) explain that the future is maoist because they are the only ones waging revolutions right now or seeing success. I left it at that because I also pulled the rhetoric questions on him and he kept ignoring them lol.
But that was a funny one. Sure, if you think AES doesn't exist and China, Cuba, Vietnam are not communist anymore, then maoism works. And sure, if you think waging a people's war for over 50 years while slowly being forced to cede territory over those 50 years is a sign of success, then yeah I guess the future is maoist.
I really want them to explain how they expect people in the imperial core to agree to leave our cozy lives and treats to go fight in the mountains or whatever biomes we have in the imperial core for the rest of our lives. To me the future is Dengist (I know it's not a real word etc.). Their little adventures will get them to a conclusion we've known for over 50 years: you will be expecting the Third World to be doing the revolution for you, because they are perhaps more keen on joining such movements. Thirld Worldism, most of us know by now, is another imperial endeavour circling back to what I was saying earlier, they want to direct the imperialized periphery into doing revolution, but not actually do it themselves. They want to be Sison, safe in the Netherlands, not one of the many officers of the CPP which they have never once name-dropped. I don't know if many of them even know about them or stopped at Sison and "the masses" (you have to see the masses like a character, like one big thing -- this is something, incidentally, Black Red Guard talked about in a medium piece, that Lucanamarca was not carried out by the "masses" but by PCP-SL militants, and now he's completely shunned by maoists for having written this piece and having joined the DSA lol).
This is the problem with Thirld Worldism, which basically all maoists I've met claim (whether they know it or not), and it's nothing new. Plenty of people have noted that contradiction.
Cause like I'm a communist and I don't want to abandon my life to be living in barracks in the woods and mountains until I get shot by a cop while robbing a delivery truck to Walmart lol. And they don't want to either or they would be doing it too. And if they want to prove me wrong, then go right ahead and start a PPW.
But this is what "Dengism" understands. There's another very pragmatic way of doing things that is beneficial for everybody.
On PPW I was made aware some time back that Vietnam also waged one, and I can't disagree with that. And certainly China did too. It seems to me, looking at historical examples, that PPW is not so much something you want to get into, but something you get into dialectically as the process of revolution develops. We could say the Bolsheviks also got into a PPW, although it only lasted a few years, not decades like the more famous examples did. From what I know of the Naxalites, CPP and PCP-SL, protracted people's war is central to their praxis and they consider it important to achieve communism.
Yeah, I touched on it a bit, but they just flat out seem to think that the entire "masses" will just join their revolution if they demand they PPW on the internet hard enough. It feels like they don't understand the concept of the vanguard party very well, or the idea of allowing "neutrality" for people who don't want to put their lives (or their loved one's lives) at risk.
And I agree, it does often feel like their ideas rely on the idea of someone else doing all the hard work, and they just get to do the "fun bits" of the revolution, they seem to love adventurism as well, which I think is quite telling, they don't want to focus on hard work and dealing with largely indifferent masses, they want to do a cool "movie moment" that just impresses the people so much that they spontaneously join the revolution. Which is probably why they don't care about winning the people's support through direct action, because to them, some big magical spontaneous event will occur that will make the people rise up.