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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Like it or not we are stuck with a two party system. As fucking awful as Biden is, and he is, Biden is the lesser of two evils by far. And that applies to democrats/republicans as a whole.

Both parties/candidates are to some degree cool with genocide and privatization, but only one of the two stands out as the worst, and the worst by a lot.

Don't like it? Vote for local candidates/congressional candidates in primaries that will fix the two party problem. But in the mean time the better presidential option will be anything with a D next to their name.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I will not vote for the party of genocide supply. Aka the dems.

Local candidates are not going fix the two party system. That's a national issue.

I don't know the solution, but buying into the Dems bullshit "lesser of Two evils" AGAIN is not it.

Have fun being the same chump you were 8 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You want to ever vote again? Then take a long, hard look at what each party is trying to do about voting rights. If you want to stop genocide, a Republican in office is the worst-case scenario for you; and there is a non-zero chance that voting against Democrats in 2024 means that 2024 will be our last real election ever, after which the genocide would come across the ocean.

Think about the worst case scenarios here—in case of a blue wave, the worst case is another four years of lackluster governance and pretending to keep our hands clean of the worst stuff happening in the world, while winking at corporate greed and doing nothing about climate change. Not a great outcome.

In case of a red wave, we don't have to guess about the worst case, because Trump is telling us what he'll do: make anything but Christianity illegal, militarize the borders to turn away refugees, curtail the first amendment, hand Ukraine over to Russia, help Israel glass Palestine, make it harder (impossible if he can manage it) for people to vote against him, try to get an extra four years as penance for what he sees as a "stolen" election, retaliate against anyone trying to hold him accountable for his crimes, roll back environmental protections that will make climate change irreversible, nominate perhaps another SCOTUS justice who's even more unhinged than the other three he installed, and vague threats of violence toward everyone who isn't straight and cis. That is all stuff that he has promised to do at his rallies. And all of that isn't even touching on the financial disaster that his tax policies actually unleashed between 2016-2020, and the regular horror of mass shootings and white supremacy that goes up under every pro-gun president, but Trump in particular. Not a survivable outcome.

This isn't a normal election. Giving Trump (or, at this point, any Republican) a chance is off the table. He's shown us and told us what he'll do if he gets the White House again. If you want to vote third party to send a message, you have to contend with the possibility that there won't be anyone left to hear it in 2028. Yes, people's lives are on the line. So don't let Republicans have the chance to step across that line.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

Replace evey year you listed with 2012.

And replace trump with George w Bush.

These were the same arguments being made by Dems back then. I voted. And we still have genocide supply. The genocide we have now is unacceptable. Just because there is potential for it to get worse don't mean I should accept they situation we have now.

Biden cut check to Israel with a smile on his face. So will the republican party and so will future democrats. None of them will be getting my vote.

You're a genocide apologist when you vote blue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I will not vote for the party of genocide supply. Aka the dems.

They're both supporting the ongoing genocide. This isn't helpful for deciding who to vote for.

Local candidates are not going fix the two party system. That’s a national issue.

Which is why I specified local/congressional. It's going to take all levels of government to unfuck us from a two party system.

I don’t know the solution, but buying into the Dems bullshit “lesser of Two evils” AGAIN is not it.

Only one of these choices is actively trying to turn our country into a theocratic hell hole.

The "lesser of two evils" is fucking awful, but it's true.

Have fun being the same chump you were 8 years ago.

If you can't talk about politics without resorting to personal insults then you must know how weak your argument is.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

They're both supporting the ongoing genocide. This isn't helpful for deciding who to vote for.

You are the one deciding between the two only, not me. I will vote for a candidate that has a platform I can support and nothing else.

It's going to take all levels of government to unfuck us from a two party system.

The dems continue to get elected because of the Two party system. They aren't going to change it.

Let me know when it does tho....

Only one of these choices is actively trying to turn our country into a theocratic hell hole.

Yes, and the other will happily participate in genocide, be unable to create real change in Any area I care about and then pretend they are the party of moral superiority.

You vote blue you will still have red on your hands.