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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It has been ordered to PREVENT a hypothetical genocie, not to stop "committing a genocide".

Israel has done enough bad shit that you don't need to lie to prove your point

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Who is committing the hypothetical genocide?

Russia started a war of aggression so it makes sense they are banned from Eurovision till that has been resolved.

Israel is committing war crimes on a scale that is rare in modern history, so also a good reason to be banned.

And bringing up the oktober 7 attacks kinda sounds hollow after the response from Israel. Hammas killed 1.139 and Israel killed well over 25.000.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Hamas committed a direct attack on civilians, without any military target in mind what-so-ever. Obviously this will be a serious crime against humanity in most people's eyes that makes it harder to count Israel's response as unwarranted, counting in their wrongdoings.

With the Rus-Ukr conflict, the same country is both the aggressor and the attacker that started the invasion. That makes it easier to see who the undoubtedly "bad guy" is.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm disappointed that we are both snek. I maintain that I'm spookier than you.

Btw Hamas mostly attacked military installations, military infrastructure, and military targets. Not an excuse for killing civilians, but I see this piece of misinformation being thrown around a lot and I wonder where it came from.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes, my favorite military installation, a music festival.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

So do you mean that no military tagerts were hit? Is this the claim we're discussing here?

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Hamas committed a direct attack on civilians, without any military target in mind what-so-ever.

About 1/4th of the Israelis deaths on October 7th were members of the military. The IDF by it's own reports has killed two civilians for every Hamas member, so 1/3rd of the deaths are military. They have killed at least 10k civilians in one month, so just a bit more than Russia did in the whole war but 10 times as much as Hamas managed! With those numbers let's keep in mind that Hamas are terrorists while the IDF is an organised army of a democratic state which claims to uphold human rights even in war times.

So yeah, neither side gets a medal from me for holding back against civilians.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

hamas are terrorists. all terrorism is a crime against humanity. but what israel is doing is also a crime against humanity. even the settlements could be considered such a thing. and i'm not even going to talk about the fact that palestinian refugees don't have a right of return to their land, that opens a new definition of crime done by a state.

israel must be isolated, banning them from eurovision is a must for the organization. uefa and fifa should ban them as well from international competitions. but this isolation is already late and the current actions of israel reflect the inaction of the international community towards their many habitual crimes against palestinians.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
  1. Hamas is not taking part in Eurovision.
  2. A war crime is a war crime and a genocide is a genocide, no matter the justification.
  3. Calling Hammas the aggressor ignores quite a bit of complicated history.
[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

Hamas is the aggressor in this specific part of the almost 100 year old conflict, that resulted in the current circumstances.

What genocide are you referring to?

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

"Conflict" makes it sound like a dispute. Let's call it what REALLT is: apartheid, occupation, and ethnic cleansing.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

By that logic the specific part of the current genocide in Gaza Israel is the unambiguous aggressor.

Like: You cannot just ignore what came before. WTF?

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Well, if you cut it like that, you could cut it a month later. Now Israel is the aggressor!

It's not that simple.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

None in particular, Iโ€™m saying there is no excuse for genocide. So to determine if Israel is committing one, the actions of Hamas are irrelevant.