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[–] [email protected] 323 points 8 months ago (8 children)

The Salvation Army is the shit tier of "charities". Not only are they anti-LGBTQ but they have a long history of anti-union action and supporting strikebreakers. Ever wonder why so many US Labor Movement songs are to the tune of hymns? It's not because of their familiar tune. It's because the Salvation Army would send their band to labor actions and play as loud as possible to try to drown out organizers and make attendees uncomfortable.

I try to be more positive on this platform but with these scumbags, I cannot. They're in the company of the Pinkertons and other murderers and thugs for hire.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Good as that is, I gotta endorse the Utah Philips version. It comes with context and a story, and also he's hilarious.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

the Utah Philips version

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

Oh the starvation army they pray / they sing and they clap and they play/'till they get all your coin on the drum / then they'll tell you that you're on the bum.

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Here in Australian even, tried to donate stuff, and was loading things up, then was told they only accepted clothing that weekend. So had to reload it all back into my car.

Then they said they didn't want my pots and such.

At least here in Australia, they don't care about any donations unless they can sell it (they don't seem to care about actually giving anything less sellable to the poor for free).

They're not even selling the stuff for cheap either (so its bad for the poor too)

Started giving away a lot of it on Facebook for free.. Was extremely painless. And the savers nearby also had no issues accepting a lot of it too.

Never going back there. They suck for donations, for buying they're too expensive too.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The individuals who work with us are amazing ppl, it absolutely sucks that the group as a whole is pisswater

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Yeah. It feels like bad actors at the top use the needy as human shields to deflect from their horrible behavior.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Only Seeger’s version but it rings in my head every time they come up

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

Oh the starvation army they pray / they sing and they clap and they play/'till they get all your coin on the drum / then they'll tell you that you're on the bum.

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Damn it, it's so hard to find reputable good charities. So many of them are are either religious freaks or straight up scams.

Can we share lists of actual good charities?

I usually give to doctors without borders... Fingers crossed somone doesn't reply to me they kill puppies or something....

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Child's Play is my go-to. They provide video games and consoles to hospitalized and often terminally ill children who literally can't go out and play. It was founded by the creators of Penny Arcade back in the early 2000s and so far to my knowledge hasn't had a single controversy or hint of anything nefarious. It's just nerds helping other, young, sick nerds/would-be-nerds get their nerd on.

I mean Doctors Without Borders definitely does more important work on the balance, but giving pediatric terminal cancer patients countless hours of joy isn't a trivial thing either.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's my go-to, personally. MSF (Doctors Without Borders) could nearly get away with puppy murder and still be "good". The amount of risk that they take on to help those in need is remarkable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

In college I had support to do something very similar to engineers without borders just under a different name but in conjunction with the program. They required a certain donation level to ensure that the work we did had the needed materials paid for and could compensate the local workers involved. That's what I was told. I wasn't auditing anything but it seemed above board. I was able to engage with doctors without borders members while there. All were committed to the cause. Many were from the same part of the world if not "state/province" and giving back after they were able to make more money elsewhere. Just about all were hardcore. We have 5000 to treat in 7 days type of hardcore. Bedside manner wasn't what you'd expect in the US, but it was about helping as many people as you could as effectively as you could. Truly eye opening though. I can't say anything about the organization, but the people who were first hand there either gathered the donations or donated themselves and went there to make a difference. I respect the hell out of those people.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

When charities are written in law as a way to get tax discounts, it's no wonder the majority becomes scams. Charities are also a great example of the govt failing to do it's own damn job

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago

Another great charity evaluator is https://www.givewell.org/. Their mission is to find charities that save or improve lives the most per dollar spent, and their findings are research-backed and evidence-based. 100% of your donation goes to the charity you support. They also evaluate the lowest cost to save a human life, which is currently about $3k-$5k. Their top rated charities are involved in malaria prevention:

  1. Malaria Consortium
  2. Against Malaria Foundation
  3. Helen Keller International
  4. New Incentives
[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago

There's always Charity Navigator, they rate charities based on financial health and accountability, at least. I've not heard any controversy with it, for what it's worth

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Of course any article can be biased, but this one has cited sources, at least. It would take further digging to determine if those sources are credible.

https://libcom.org/article/starvation-army-twelve-reasons-reject-salvation-army

In my opinion and based on my past reading on the subject, the simple fact that it’s a religious organization is enough to dissuade me from giving them anything. It is no small statistic that religious organizations are corrupt, hypocritical, expect obedience over tolerance, anti-union, anti-LGBTQ, ultra-conservative, and generally support the notion that people must be submissive to their authority.

I’ll continue to donate to secular organizations that do genuine good.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Off the top of my head, I can only think of primary sources. Would need to dive into some academic tools to find sufficient sources for Wikipedia's requirements. I'll make a note to do so, when I get the time to do so.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

Greenway suggests that the Wobblies stumbled upon this modus operandi as a means of combating the street bands of the Salvation Army and the Volunteers of America, who frequently would drown out Wobbly speakers in a "cacophony of cornets and tamborines." One enterprising IWW organizer, wishing to combat the forces of obscurantist "pie in the sky" theology, "retired long enough to organize a brass band of his own.

Denisoff, R. S. (1970). The Religious Roots of the American Song of Persuasion. Western Folklore, 29(3), 175. doi:10.2307/1498356

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Ah that makes sense, they were competing for the same demographic for their recruitment efforts.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I try to be more positive on this platform but with these scumbags, I cannot.

Thank you for making this effort, by the way. The community on Lemmy versus the other platform we all know about is night and day because of people like you.

And I absolutely agree. I went to read a bit about the Salvation Army and I had no idea about their stance. I'm glad I came across this post. Truly appalling.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Thank you for making this effort, by the way. The community on Lemmy versus the other platform we all know about is night and day because of people like you.

Thank you too for that bit of positivity. I found myself being negatively impacted, psychologically and emotionally on corporate social media. Life is just too short to engage in that sort of unhealthy behavior. And I know that I'm not the only one who has experienced such - it's pretty well established in research data.

So, while it certainly makes me feel a bit better, more important to me is the fact that engaging positively with people and encouraging them gives them more opportunities to feel better about themselves (we all need that sometimes, some more than others), grow, and, I hope, be more inclined to spread it about (and make quality shitposts and *nix porn). The world is fucked up enough as it is; lashing out, belittling, and the like only contributes the the problem.

I've been through a lot in life so far and close to those which been through even more and know first-hand how dark the depths of despair can get. If I can manage to put even the idea of a smile into the mind of someone that needs one I've won more than is possible in getting someone to rage-quit a "debate" thread that's 50 comments deep.