GoodEye8

As a foreigner, if you voted for a genocider (there was two in this race), I do not think you are human.

I feel like that's such an idealistic way of viewing things. Hypothetically, if you had a choice between indirectly supporting genocide or throwing your entire life into chaos you'd rather ruin your own life? If you're actually willing to ruin your own life for it you're more passionate about this issue than 99% of the population. For example I don't have an issue supporting Ukraine, I've donated to support packages going to Ukraine. But you won't find me on the battlefield because there's a limit to my support and that limit is at not throwing away my life. I guess that makes me inhuman because I could do more and I'm choosing to not to.

If the table turns sometime, if I have to pick between genocide in the US and fascism here, well, I hope you have a place to hide lmao

How hypocritical and vindictive. I won't do what I consider humane because you deserve it.

My bad. I guess she mentioned it more than twice.

But in my defense I don't think I need to remember all the empty words. You're working with the president around the clock for a ceasefire and the outcome is an 8 billion military aid package for Israel and further escalations by Isreal? She can say all the thoughts and prayers she wants but it doesn't change that the administration she's a part of made no progress on a ceasefire.

If you think she would've done a ceasefire after being elected you're huffing pure copium. If a ceasefire was on the card the ceasefire would've happened already . You don't run on "I know our party is currently in office and can pressure for a ceasefire and we can't or won't do anything, however if you elect me then next year we'll do something."

Just look at the rally from where the first 2 quotes are from. They're actually part of the same quote and I'll add the quote in full.

I have been clear: now is the time to get a cease-fire deal and get the hostage deal done. Now is the time, and the president and I are working around the clock every day to get that cease-fire deal done and bring the hostages home. So, I respect your voices, but we are here to now talk about this race in 2024.

Translation. We hear you but we don't want to address it.

Counterpoint. Get out of here stalker.

I think Stalker 2 needs a mix and match option where we can choose the language of the dialogue line by line. Or at least a future "meme" language option where the best lines of every translation is used.

The issue with Bernie is that everyone knows he's a socialist. If there was someone else who presented the same ideas Bernie has while also saying "I'm totally not like Bernie" people would actually vote for that candidate. Most Americans are closeted socialists, they'll in favor of socialist policies as long as you don't call it socialism.

I'm pretty sure she vowed to not be silent on Gaza, and then didn't really bring it up until 2? days before the election? Even if she said somewhere about ceasefire she clearly didn't mean it.

Because the dnc would rather lose running center right to right wing policies than be actually progressive.

The Miami zombie was simply ahead of his time.

There's a bigger likelyhood Harris wins the electoral college than the popular vote, but both are pretty unlikely.

But why would you talk about the republican strategy? After-all Trump got almost as many votes as he did back in 2020, only ~2,5 million less. And it's not like their strategy wildly differed from what they did 2020. Trump got his followers heated up, he tried to coordinate with foreign entities to find kompromat, he tried to undermine the electoral process, he tested the safeguard and guard rails Jan 6. The only really new thing he did was having billionaires be more prominent in supporting him. But none of it changed his votes.

The question you should be asking is "If trump got roughly as many votes as he did back in 2020, how did he win both the electoral college and popular vote?" I don't see how that question could be answered by looking at the republican party, they didn't do anything new and their result was also the same. IMO the answer to that question lies with the democratic party. There is something the democrats did or didn't do that cost them 14 million votes (81 mil in 2020 vs 67 mil in 2024). And realistically a large part of those 14 million voters were "Fuck Trump" voters who were sick and tired of his shit. But this time Trump went full fascist and somehow people were more apathetic towards his?

I kinda agree with Hasan on the part that trying to appear more moderate when your opponent is a full blown fascist doesn't really do anything. You just come across as a lite version of fascism. Maybe democrats should've stayed more in opposition to the republicans because when the voters don't want fascism, they also don't a lighter version of fascism. I don't know what went wrong, I'm not a political pundit. I just see republicans getting roughly the same amount of votes and the democrats losing ~20% of the votes and I just don't see how that is not the democrats fault when they're the ones who lost the votes.

In general I agree, because their campaign definitely could've been better and it should've been better. But on the other hand this election wasn't genocide or no genocide, without a significant shift in either political party that would happen regardless. If you really wanted to twist it into "genocide or no genocide" then that vote was "completely support genocide" or "begrudgingly support genocide".

But really this election was between "full steam straight into fascism" and "chance to not go into fascism". It's obvious that if you don't vote for the latter you either want fascism or don't care that you're getting fascism. That is on the voters. They could've voted to pass the fascism buck to the next election, but they didn't. Now America is getting fascism.

You are right about stupid people falling for stupid shit, but that's not why democrats lost. Trump got less votes than he did in 2020, that 70 million who voted for Trump are just people who love what Trump says.

What made democrats lose are the 16 million votes Biden got that Harris didn't get. The GOP didn't magically make those votes disappear, those missing votes is the failure of the democratic party.

She nailed it? You mean like how for 8 years she thought the border wall is a stupid idea and then suddenly she pivots into "yup, we totally need that wall"? Or when she got all buddy buddy with the likes of Cheney when the core democrats loathe Cheney? She had time to appeal to the republican voters but not to the 16 million voters who voted for Biden and not her? She had plenty of time to nail her campaign and she didn't.

And I'll just add this as a non-American. It's a very American thing to think election campaigns have to be long, because they are long in America. She got over 3 months to campaign and that would've been enough time in most countries. Just to give some context: Mexico's president campaigned for 93 days, Canada's last federal election was 36 days, Australian president campaigned for 36 days, India campaign was 33 days, Brazil was 90 days.