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Calls are growing for the UN Security Council to be reformed after the US became the only member to use its veto power to block a Gaza ceasefire resolution, a move welcomed by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The UN chief says he will keep pushing for peace.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

The problem in this case is depending on the security council to act on an issue it isn't designed to address.

The main purpose of the UN is to prevent global war, and the Security Council is the primary way in which that goal is achieved.

In that context, the P5's veto power makes sense. It prevents resolutions pitting the world against one of the superpowers that can sustain that kind of war.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Things just dont make sense. Hamas, a very weak power, sneak attacks Israel, a relatively strong power, then hides amongst the civilian population with military targets scattered throughout neighborhoods and municipalities.

Is Hamas surprised by the mass civilian casualties or are you (the reader) the one who is surprised? Is Hamas actually weaponizing their civilians by showing the world how many are dying and being an agent of change in the UN?

Is Hamas considering these civilian deaths as martyrs? Because martyrdom is not the same as innocent death.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Picture a bank hostage situation. Police officer comes in with a fully loaded gun. A bank teller is being held at gunpoint by the robber. Never once in the history of ever has the police officer shot the bank teller.

That's what Israel is doing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for clarifying for me. Didn't realize it was such a simple scenario like a bank robbery.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You clearly can't grasp the real complicated scenario so he gave you a simplified version to make it easier to understand.

Anyone with even an ounce of empathy understands why Israel bombing children is always unacceptable. Nobody should need to explain it to you really

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So, which is less acceptable:

Hamas, a military threat to Israel who hides behind children.

Or

Israel, a country with a military who is responding to military threats in a way a military would.

BTW, my original post is asking questions, but you Lemmy Users just keep making it seem I'm pro Israel just for asking.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But is Israels actions appropriate? Indiscriminate bombing across all of Gaza? Collective punishment? If they really wanted to A) save hostages and B) take out those responsible, they could do a surgical strike with special forces. Raining hellfire upon innocent people just because their might be hamas there is absolutely disgusting.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Before I answer your questions, you answer mine. Which is less acceptable?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

Israel commiting genocide is awful. Hamas is just a response to that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We could save so much money if we just disbanded the UN.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Th UN gives all countries the ability to have a voice on the world stage, yeah the security council can suck sometimes but not having the UN would be so much worse than having it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If only we had some global communication system that allowed people to post their opinions. Maybe a packet based one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We already had world leaders tweeting their opinions at other, but they still meet in person to discuss issues and form agreements.

A structured system is necessary when you have meetings with representatives for nearly every person on the planet

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

And again how is that working?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Last I heard we haven't descended into nuclear war in the last 75 years.

Or having gone into another World War.

Are you familiar with the failure of the League of Nations? I'd look into it if you're not.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Could you not say thats because of MAD from nuclear weapons?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No, MAD seems to be a failed philosophy as it assumes that aggressive actions are attributable to clearly defined parties. MAD got shook the fuck up as soon as we realized dirty bombs could exist.

I hope that our long standing mostly peace is due to the UN and media innovations... I cynically suspect that it's due to neoliberalism and globalization making a grand war too economically costly.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

I wouldn't be surprised at money being the reason. It's too bad some conflict can still be seen as profitable unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Instead of replying with that same comment again, why don't you explain what alternative you have in mind. Don't just vaguely mention 'packets'

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh I am sorry I wasn't aware that I had to come up with a solution if I point out the current solution isn't working. Shit. Better say nothing ever again and just keep giving my money to a corrupt institution that fucks up everything it touches. Sorry for pointing out the emperor has no clothing here is free fucking money

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

An imperfect system doesn't mean we need to throw out the whole system. And if we did throw it out, you can't just not have a replacement for it.

People making posts on the Internet is not equivalent to real people meeting and being forced to at least give an answer.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Forced to give an answer like when they abstain?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

That's still an answer. We actively know they chose to abstain rather than passively. Still better than radio silence from "the Internet"