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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Most people rejected his message.

"Systemd is Satan's creation! Pure Evil!"

They hated Talking Pig because He told them the truth.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, I'm planning to switch from Arch to Gentoo. Systemd isn't the only reason, but it's a big one.

(Yes, I know about Artix, but it's... kindof a Frankenstein's monster, still mostly depending on the Arch repos and still with certain relics of Systemd. Or at least it was when I last tried it.)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe, but SysV Init was just fucking awful. It's a shame.

[–] [email protected] 117 points 3 weeks ago

Upvoted because it belongs in this community, and should not be silenced, even though it is the wrong opinion

[–] [email protected] 72 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I don't really get the hate for systemd. At least for someone who started really using Linux after it was introduced, it always seemed easier to control and manage than the init.d stuff.

Obviously it's a hassle to migrate if you have a ton of legacy services, but it's pretty nice.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

It's because you now need to do systemctl restart sshd instead of /etc/init.d/sshd restart, I see no other reason than having to learn new syntax.

Arguably, init.d scripts were easier to understand, and systemd is a bit of a black box, it somehow works, but who knows where it writes logs or saves the process pid (it's all in the documentation somewhere), with init.d script you can just open the script itself and look.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago

I think it's okay to not 100% know every little detail of how a system works, as long as it's possible to find out what you need when you need it.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You don't have to use systemd. However, the rest of the world left you behind. Systemd isn't controversial since everyone has adopted it. No one is making you use it but keep in mind you are a very small minority. The rest if the community moved on after systemd was release 10 years ago.

This is fine for the memes but outside of that it is silly.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Windows isn’t controversial since everyone has adopted it. No one is making you use it but keep in mind you are a very small minority.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hard disagree, I have been using Linux for over two decades and find sysd superior to sysv

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I'm about 2 decades in too, really not here to argue since everything has already been said multiple times. I do see systemd in a somewhat similar light as Pulseaudio. Yes, some good ideas there and it's a useful tool, but it wasn't the be-all end-all solution.

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