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    thanks for the transition, Emacs (discuss.tchncs.de)
    submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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    a meme with two halves.
    on top is a screenshot of the terminal with the following text:

    Generated ~/.config/emacs/.local/env
Installing plugins
> Installing straight...
> Installing packages...
> Updating recipe repos...
> Cloning Llink-hint.el...emacsmirror-mirror. ..
> Building link-hint...
> Building link-hint > Cloning avy...
- Checked out avy: be612110cb116a38b8603df36794
> Building link-hint > Building avy...
> Building link-hint...
> Cloning drag-stuff.el...
> Building drag-stuff...
> Cloning company-shell...

    the lines installing straight and building drag-stuff are highlighted in red.
    on the bottom is Confused Nick Young face

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    [–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

    Don't look into code, you'll find killing children.

    [–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Come to the vi side, no straights or drags. (And just as terrible to use for every starter as emacs is ;) )

    Sorry, had to have the 1st vi post. ;D

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    VI is the number of the beast! Install Emacs now and save your soul!

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

    Perhaps I'm a satanist

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    And just as terrible to use for every starter as emacs is ;)

    I started learning Emacs at the same time I was learning to code. Once I found Doom it was pretty straightforward. Before that...it wasn't fun.

    I'm currently trying out lazyvim, and I think the Emacs approach is a lot more accessible to beginners because:

    • it does everything on its own instead of relying on you knowing cli tools

    • :help is just sad when compared to C-h, and generally the in-editor docs and guides are a lot worse

    • Doom is a lot more opinionated than lazyvim, but it also requires a lot less manual setup

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

    it's doom emacs(with vim bindings). I am currently using vim but wanted to learn emacs too as org mode seems interesting

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Check magit as well, in case you use git. It was a game changer for me.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

    heard about it. will install it. thanks!

    [–] [email protected] 87 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Straights can't wear drag?

    [–] [email protected] 68 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    OP is confused.

    [–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago

    Especially with the prevalence of femboy memes in this community lol

    [–] [email protected] 63 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    > Look up package
    > hasn't been updated in 7 years
    > install it and it still works

    God, I love emacs

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I think its being maintained by a volunteer who isn't part of the fsf. I vaguely remember someone winning an award for there work on the project.

    [–] [email protected] 64 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I think some people don't understand that software can be complete/finished and not need any more updates unless a bug is reported. Software doesn't have an expiry date.

    [–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    That's not true if people keep making breaking changes to your platform. Some people only ever experienced those platforms, so they can't understand it.

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Oh yeah, I didn't consider the fact that emacs might have a lot of breaking changes (I don't use it). Thanks.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    This is about emacs not having breaking changes and most other platforms(like android) requiring constant updates and maintainance due to their changes in it.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

    I don't use emacs so I didn't know that, but on Android I have apps that haven't been updated in a long time (games I purchased as part of Humble Indie Bundles that just came as APK files) that still work fine.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

    Android does a pretty decent job in making the old apps work but for devs its hard to keep supporting new versions of android. Devs have to use the new apis to be able to release in play store. They have to constantly raise their target SDK version for play store to accept any kind of updates, but to raise sdk version, they have to update the implementation, etc. Then when a new android version release, it have the next sdk version and some apis might be removed and/or deprecated. The newer android can run the apps built for older versions usually fine except if some new android limitation was introduced. But the thing is it needs to be changed when updating target sdk version(play store enforces that you have to make the taget sdk corresponding to quiet recent android version).

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    there are always bugs, it's just a matter of finding them

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Well, if you find a TeX bug, Don Knuth will send you a cheque for $327.68. good luck!

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

    As of October 2001, Knuth reported having written more than 2,000 checks, with an average value exceeding $8 per check.[3]

    Unfortunately he stopped doing it.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuth_reward_check

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

    but if the bugs are low-priority and have easy workarounds, it's not so bad.

    [–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago

    Sure, but software that targets a moving platform like Emacs can often break. I'm commenting on how stable Emacs is, even past major releases (25->29 in this case).