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Did... did I just slide to a parallel universe? Do I get to meet Jerry O'Connell? What the hell is going on?!

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I'm wondering if we're in the process of seeing the parties flip tbh. It seems like D's are becoming more conservative and R's are now trying to make systemic changes. Granted it's not a perfect flip and R-progressiveness is more like going backwards at times (abortion) but things feel weird now.

  • D: Trying to maintain (aka conserve) the status quo. Haven't been truly progressive for decades. Doesn't seem to have learned anything from losing in 2024.
  • R: Got suddenly forced into populism by Trump's surprise win and staying power. Their status quo rich politicians are all being forced out. "Anti-Elites" and big chaotic changes are now their calling cards.

If R's realize that voters will strongly support them for attacking the rich, it might happen imo.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

Bannon is the cackling villain.

He knows the system is fucked. He knows he's fucked. He knows you know it's fucked and there's no reason to hide anything.

If Starscream slicked his hair back and had a thing for Johnny Cash's wardrobe, you'd have something close to Bannon.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 hours ago

Exept Musk I assume. Or Trump. Or any other fascist fuck.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 13 hours ago

This is a 1932-type realignment, if we do this right

Guys, he's not talking about the re-alignment in America in 1932...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

i love that shiteating grin on his face underneath this headline

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

It would be hilarious if trump did things that actually worked and became extremely well beloved by people because of it. Taking steps to reduce overhead to impact costs of doing business such as shop front rental coat's. If you cause healthy deflation, you reduce cost of construction materials, and rental costs, this directly impacts small businesses that will pass the savings on to their customers. This impacts prices more than tax cuts ever will. Taxes can only be reduced so much, prices can drop to rock bottom prices increasing your spending power to the point manufacturing has to kick up to keep up with demand! Just make everyone pay the same tax percentage. I have no money left over by the time my next paycheck hits typically, I pay 30%, if my job is required to keep the business running, the economy running, and to keep the work moving, then I am just as important as the CEO that decides what work the corporation will be doing. They should be paying 30% too. This is physics 101 if you need 3 gears to run a watch, then no gear is more important than any other because it won't run without just 1 of any of the gears! In terms of our government why is the biggest gears not providing the same input into the system? This is one thing that will stop it from ever being fixed. Reducing the load on the bigger gears and leaving it to the smaller gears messes up any geared system. You want even load across your entire machine. Until everyone is (apparently) forced to be a functioning member, this machine is going to keep having serious failures.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

This reminds me of a manifesto I was reading for a proposed proletarian-run state. Comes from early 1900s, before the world went to shit because of the rise of fadcism. Particularly a few key points from their 25-point plan stood out to me:

  1. Abolition of unearned incomes [passive income, in today's terms]. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
  1. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice of life and property that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment due to a war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. Therefore, we demand ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
  1. We demand nationalization of all businesses which have been up to the present formed into companies (trusts).
  1. We demand that the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.
  1. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
  1. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
  1. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of land rent and prevention of all speculation in land.
  1. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

[...]

  1. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious citizen to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. [...] We demand the education at the expense of the state of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
  1. The state is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, [...]

Oops, wait, that's excerpted from The National Socialist Program

Yeah, it turns out Nazis have always been willing to use socialist rhetoric to appeal to the working class. They know what they're doing, but it's only a matter of time before what's determined to be for "the good of the workers" is coincidentally aligned with genocide and war and the greed of the ruling class..

TL;DR Nazis were always on board with taxing the rich... Until they didn't have any more competition, at which point it's back to oligarchy (and genocide, lots and lots of genocide).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I was wondering with a few of those. Particularly number 18 is dropping fucking anvil sized hints. And knowing what to look for the rest fall neatly into line with their position against reparations and American government loans; their stance on veteran's care; and their conspiracy that corporations cost them world war 1, (this handily turned into Jews the second they needed corporate money).

So yeah I guess what I'm saying is you should definitely look the gift horse in the mouth. I learned this lesson as a kid in the 90's watching Newt Gingrich talk about how we need to do more to help poverty stricken and homeless children. I was nodding right along and then he got to his solution, workhouses. He even used an updated "Dignity of Work" line about how they'll learn useful skills and be proud of themselves.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Sooooo, current day russia?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

Ya, explains a lot tbh.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 18 hours ago

You can increase the taxes. The hard part is making them pay it

[–] [email protected] 17 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I've been hate listening to his podcast. A lot of what he says would be considered pretty eft leaning. But then a lot of it is conspiracy minded. Honestly Lauren to his podcast, it's pretty unbearable, but he hates the elites as much as anyone here. It probably goes some way to understanding why trump won

[–] [email protected] 9 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

But he and Trump are elites. Especially Trump. You really can't get much more elite than someone who owns a skyscraper in Manhattan with his name on it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

So is everyone they're competing against...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Who exactly do you think they're competing against? They won the election. They control all three branches of government. They're set to turn America into a one-party state.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Sorry, I meant during the recent election

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Bannon is from an ultra-conservative Irish-heritage working class family. He has always - at least in public - been anti-elitist, although of course he was an investment banker for years

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Ok so he's either a very complex and deep person, or a fucking liar.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago

And hell just froze over.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 20 hours ago

First time I agree with Steve Bannon on anything, ever.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Sounds promising, except the “wealthy” he’s considering are probably in the 80k-250k bracket lol

Unless they’re targeting multimillionaires+, it’s not gonna work. The other half of this is that there needs to be an open and transparent process for keeping tracking of how taxes are spent

Edit but since it’s a bunch of kleptocrats in govt now, what to think of that? I guess rich progressives/dems/libs better make sure they’re using the same loop holes to conserve wealth that the conservatives will, otherwise it’s just playing a game rigged to kill you.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Oh snap the broken clock was right for once.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

He's talking about rich Dems / libs

[–] [email protected] 12 points 18 hours ago

he's talking about The Jews

[–] [email protected] 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Lmao it's like when the old white men become senile and slide to the right except Bannon is morally inverted.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe he doesn't want to get targeted by the adjuster. I mean killing CEO and the rich is hot right now with the 99%.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It's not polling all that well, tbh. Only hot with 41% across the income spectrum among youths, lower in every other demographic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The one poll I've seen about him was from a "company" that was created a few days before the poll released

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Steve Bandwagon strikes again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

Populist gonna Populist.

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