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Summary

Tesla’s European market share is declining sharply, with EU registrations dropping 40.9% in November 2024 compared to last year, and year-to-date registrations down 15.2%.

Including the UK and EFTA, Tesla’s registrations fell 13.7% this year.

The drop stems from reduced government EV incentives and growing dissatisfaction with CEO Elon Musk.

Despite Tesla’s decline, overall EV registrations in Europe have remained stable as competing automakers gain ground. Tesla remains the largest EV producer in Europe but faces growing pressure from rivals capitalizing on its waning dominance.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

European view: I always thought I'd love a Tesla when I make the move to electric.

Would never, ever buy one now and it's purely because of mister half a trillion election purchasing oligarch.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

But this is hitting EVERY ev carmaker in Europe. Germany ended its subsides to ev this December.

This has obviously impacted sales. Volkswagen, Volvo, Hyundai. All have been hit.

The only one that was not impacted that much was BMW.

This is nothing to celebrate. Ev adoption on Europe has been dropping steadily.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

"overall EV registrations in Europe have remained stable"

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Is there a point where Tesla's board will oust him to save the brand?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Who else is on the board besides him and his brother?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

TBH I don't know. I assumed it was a normal board of directors that has a check and balance to the CEO. I should have known it wasn't.

Edit- Actually, there is a traditional board. My question still stands then. https://ir.tesla.com/corporate

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 16 hours ago

Nope. They are tied to the hip. From what I see the Board are just cashing out as it sinks.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I personally will never consider a product he's attached to.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I'm guessing Elon endorsing the "drive your car into a crowd of Christmas shoppers" party is not going to help.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

His own cars have already been doing that more than enough. So maybe he feels a bond with AfD over this incident?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Get ready for the "full self-driving" defence.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 37 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

He's from Saudi Arabia but he hates islam and thinks the german government conspires to turn Germany into an Islamic country. He has ties to multiple AfD officials as evidenced by his Twitter account.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 16 hours ago

Turns out the real terrorists were the fascists we made along the way...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You mean apart from parroting AfD talking points and retweeting Elon Musk?

The Elon Musk who endorsed the AfD before the man drove into the crowd?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I was just asking for context, which I’ve since found (see edit). Chill man ✌🏻

[–] [email protected] 11 points 16 hours ago

Sorry, but it's been a major part of this story so it felt like a loaded question.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago

Best news I've read all day.

[–] [email protected] 112 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Polestar sells something for a similar price and better quality, and without awkward associations with a billionaire nazi.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

"but he's an entrepreneur genius" -s

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 20 hours ago

Handed back my model 3 leasing car in September. As long as they are the right wing nutcase is involved I will not buy anything from them again.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (7 children)

other automakers have stepped up to try and fill the gap left by Tesla,

Absolutely, IMO VW group has made a stellar job with the MEB platform, and are selling very good Electric cars at competitive prices.
VW group has of course the VW ID series, Skoda Enyaq and Elroq, Cupra Tavascan and Born, Audi E-Tron 4-6-8, Porsche Taycan.

This is a very impressive lineup IMO. And generally they have lower noise and better driving comfort than Tesla. Allegedly drive assist systems are way better than Tesla. No sudden phantom breaking, and no weird warnings about traffic that is completely irrelevant. Common for all is that they are all very good cars, without the weirdness of a Tesla. VW group has about 14 distinct models, so you have way better chance of finding a perfect fit than with Tesla.

Apart from that, if you don't give a shit politically, we also have some decent Chinese options. Xpeng is very attractive IMO.

The best selling EV here is the Skoda Enyaq, and that's absolutely with good reason, there is just about nothing to fault on that car IMO, it is also my own personal favorite, although I hate to go mainstream.

To quote Elon Musk:
You'd be a fool to buy ~~anything but~~ a Tesla today.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (7 children)

To be honest, VW EVs are extremely boring and overpriced. I would rather buy Volvo, Polestar, KIA or Hyundai. The fully specced ID.3 is something like 53K which is insane for such a small car. Their cars are simply uninspiring.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Personally the ID3 is a bit too small for me, but the ID4 is pretty good, but the Skoda Enyaq is just a tad better.
If you want something more interesting maybe the Cupra Born is more your style.
But the cars you mention also have their benefits, Kia and Hyundai have more features as standard, but it's not quite the quality of VW from what I understand from reviewers.
If you want something that isn't boring there is also BMW, but they are a bit expensive IMO.
Polestar is a bit of a mixed bag from what I understand, and they have financial difficulties. But some people seem to simply love them.
There is also the Ford Explorer, which is also built by VW on the MEB platform.

I agree VW and the Skoda Enyaq are a bit boring,for instance the speeder is calibrated so it doesn't jerk the car when floored, it's designed and built to be safe, practical, reliable and comfortable.
I guess it doesn't get much more boring than that, but it is also makes it a very pleasant car to drive and use.

Anyways we certainly have many great alternatives to Tesla now, also without having to go Chinese.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe you're talking about the previous models? The platform starting with ID.7 is amazing. Yes, I replaced my Tesla with an ID.7. Two of my friends waited a bit longer and grabbed the GTX ID.7 Tourer model instead - now voted best EV of 2024.

The price of my ID.7 was slightly more than the much smaller Model 3, and way cheaper than Polestar and KIA.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

The problem I have with id7 is that it is bigger on the outside, smaller on the inside and not as fun to drive. Having said that, I recently got to drive a new Model3 and the changes the last 5 years has not done it any favours. Quieter, yes, but that's about it for the positives.

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[–] [email protected] 163 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I used to be really keen on Teslas but a combination of Elon and stories of poor quality and after sales support have killed the brand for me.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 19 hours ago

They could be the best cars on Earth and Elon's fuckery would be enough for me to do every tiny bit I could to keep their stock as low as possible.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It's slowly becoming a point of abject loathing. Many of us openly laugh at Tesla drivers, not in the least because they've taken the crown of "deadbeat drivers" from BMW & Mercedes a long time ago. See an asshole on the road? 66% chance it's a Tesla.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

If you need to cut someone off, best to do it to a Tesla as the car is likely to prevent collision and you get to piss off a musk simp

[–] [email protected] 19 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

How about not creating dangerous and potentially deadly situations in traffic, no matter how much we disdain the cars brand or think the other driver is an asshole?

You cut off the Tesla, the Tesla breaks, the car behind crashes and the whole thing might turn into a mass accident with dozens of injuries and some people killed...

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