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Also why does everyone seem to hate on Ubuntu?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

I feel like it isn't really specific to arch, every distro has a following, but some are more "passionate" about it than others. I think arch, NixOS, and gentoo are the most notable.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I'm quite experienced in Linux but I wouldn't use either. Arch is great if you like to tinker, Ubuntu sucks for the not so libre approach , corporate ties, telemetry etc. I distrohopped before but today I just install my debian based distro and shit works.. Ubuntu I've installed twice before when I was new to Linux, and have had a major issues every time due to official updates that broke internet drivers and other things, that's a fun one when you only have one PC . Not to mention its so bloated that shitty computers that I like to thinker with it have a hard time catching up. The arch thing is also mostly a kind of meme, targeting the more unbearable nerds. People I hated when I was a noob (they will let you know you are) But they are found everywhere and in general I don't think there's more of those people in arch community than anywhere else. It's more of a stab at elitism than arch specifically.

I see a point in arch but zero in ubuntu.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Normal people who use Arch don't bring it up much, because they're all sick of the memes and are really, REALLY tired of immediately being called rude elitist neckbeard cultists every time they mention it.

The Ubuntu hate is because Canonical has a long history of making weird, controversial decisions that split the Linux community for no good reason.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What decisions for example?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Amazon, Mir, Unity, Snap etc.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

Arch is amazing for what it is, hence the love. It’s what you make of it; by default there’s nothing and you design your own system from scratch. This leads to a very passionate and enthusiastic community who do great work for one another, for everybody’s benefit. Anything under the sun can be found in the AUR, the distro repos are fresh and reliable, and every issue that arises has a hundred people documenting the fix before it’s patched.

Ubuntu has a bad reputation for inconsistency, privacy invasive choices, etc. I don’t think all the hate is deserved, as they corrected course after the Amazon search fiasco, but I still won’t use it because of Snaps. They have a proprietary backend, so even if I wanted to put up with their other strange design decisions I can’t unless I wanted closed source repos. That goes against my whole philosophy and reasoning for being on Linux to begin with, and many feel the same.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

When I got fed up with windows 8.1 (and windows update bricked it), I first used ubuntu. How well or not it worked depended on the version. In version 19 it got some ugly white message boxes. I searched for how to change their color and found an angry dev saying no you cant change that. This was the final bullshit. Then I switched to arch, which lets me choose how my stuff looks and doesn't have the whole 3/4 versions are buggy thing. It works and ubuntu does not.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I just think it's neat. comfy

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago

vocal peope on social media ≠ everyone

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

a reputation more than 10 years out of date

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (8 children)

It's funny because I see the same cult behavior, but for Fedora. I've never understood the point of this distribution that has never worked well for me.

I'm on Manjaro by the way, because I love everything about Arch except the release style.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Funnily enough, I feel the opposite. Manjaro never worked reliably for me, but Fedora works great for my use case. Is it perfect? Fuck if I know. But it's a good, no-nonsense, extremely low maintenance, super reliable distro that I use daily with zero issues.

Also, they pioneered the atomic distro concept that has amazing use cases, and some fantastic projects are based on this technology. My gaming PC runs Bazzite for a zero-maintenance, immediate gaming experience. My dads laptop runs Bluefin and he hasn't broken it yet, and he's capable of breaking every single OS.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Arch Being cult like is stereotypical. Far from reality.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Because the logo looks cool

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

arch is slop for normies pretending to be chads, real chads use gentoo and openbsd

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Linux From Scratch centrist

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Because Arch requires human sacrifice.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I use Ubuntu professionally and Arch at home

Anything that's not Windows is my preference.

I love arch because I know what's in it and how to fix it and what to expect, the community is mostly very nice and open to help

AUR is great and using pacman feels lovely

I also care about learning and understanding the system I'm using beyond just using a GUI that does everything for me

Ubuntu is not bad it's probably one of the most used distros by far

Linux motto is: Use what you like and customize it how you like because there is no company forcing you to do things their way

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

there is no company forcing you to do things their way

IBM would like to do have a few words.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

People that got into Linux when most of the main distributions were easier to install than windows in most cases. Some people wanted to show off that they can install a Linux like it was when we did it back in the 90s for some reason I still don't understand till this day. I do like their wiki though. Works great for debian as well as arch.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I've been a slackware user since the late 90s. I take for granted how easy it is to install today. I've been tinkering with a socket 7 build, and nothing is easy. Installing slackware 8 is a pain in the ass. I can't even get half my hardware working on win95! It's not like riding a bicycle.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

That wiki is by far the best part of arch.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Well, Ubuntu uses Snap, which is a rather poor packaging solution that basically no other distro has adopted. By default it's a little bloated, it's made some controversial decisions (rust coreutils), and other distros just do what Ubuntu does better (like Mint)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The same reason people brag about working 80 hour weeks.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago

But arch is less work, not more

Ubuntu = breaking update every 2 years

Arch = breaking update never

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How user friendly is the installation process? I've never tried, so I don't know. I'm curious now; just based on how people talk about it, I always perceived it as as distro that requires a lot of technical knowledge to use like Gentoo, which I unsuccessfully tried to install way back in 2010. I'm more knowledgeable and patient these days, so I may be able to work with arch.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You can use archinstall and it is dummy simple. Just have another computer or phone around to look things up and go down the menu like a checklist. My admittedly limited arch experience has so far been "run archinstall, use pacman to install tools as I run into things I'd like to have". I have a Framework 16 with the built in GPU, I imagine some hardware complicates this process but just look stuff up it's all out there unless you're on some really wild hardware. Even without archinstall you can follow the arch wiki and you're basically replicating what the tool does but using the wiki as your checklist and needing to type more

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Linux is supposed to be hard and for nerds. Arch is the hardest and most for nerds, and ubuntu is the least. At least that's what I've seen.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

I just think its good.

The way I see it, you can have an OS that breaks less often and is hard to fix, or an OS that breaks a little more often that is easy to fix. I choose the latter. 99/100 times, when something breaks with an update, it's on the front page of archlinux.org with a fix.

The problems I've faced with other distros or windows is the solution is often "reinstall, lol", which is like a 3 hour session of nails on a chalkboard for me.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 days ago (6 children)

About 10 years ago it was The Distro for first time linux users to prove they were a True Linux Enjoyer. Think a bunch of channers bragging about how they are the true linux master race because they edited a grub config.

Before Arch that role belonged to Gentoo. Since then that role has transitioned to NixOS who aren't nearly as toxic but still culty. "Way of the future" etc.

All three of have high bars of entry so everyone has to take pride in the effort they put in to learn how to install their distro. Like getting hazed into a frat except you actually learn something.

The Ubuntu hatred is completely unrelated. That has to do with them being a corporate distro that keep making bad design decisions. And their ubiquity means everyone has to deal with their bad decisions. (snap bad)

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago

Before Arch that role belonged to Gentoo.

To add, before the change the Gentoo wiki was a top resource when it came to Linux questions. Even if you didn't use Gentoo you could find detailed information on how various parts of Linux worked.

One day the Gentoo wiki died. It got temporary mirrors quickly, but it took a long time to get up and working again. This left a huge opening for another wiki, the Arch wiki, to become the new top resource.

I suspect, for a number of reasons, Arch was always going to replace Gentoo as the "True Linux Explorer", but the wiki outage accelerated it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (6 children)

This is it mostly for sure. I used to be that True Linux Enjoyer. I still install arch sometimes but I only ever use an arch-derived distribution now that comes with an installer. I already feel like there’s not enough time in the day without having to manually copy files off a USB stick

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Because it's awesome. Join us... join us... join us...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Arch has a very in-depth wiki that's the go-to resource for a lot of Linux users, and it offers a community-driven way to have access to literally anything that's ever landed on Linux ever through the AUR. It's also nice to have an OS that you never have to reinstall (assuming all things go well).

Why that turned into such a cult-meme is anyone's guess though.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago

Is it really? I've always understood the cult around it as a joke.

But seriously, RTFM.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 days ago

I don't really have a concise answer, but allow me to ramble from personal experience for a bit:

I'm a sysadmin that was VERY heavily invested in the Microsoft ecosystem. It was all I worked with professionally and really all I had ever used personally as well. I grew up with Windows 3.1 and just kept on from there, although I did mess with Linux from time to time.

Microsoft continues to enshittify Windows in many well-documented ways. From small things like not letting you customize the Start menu and task bar, to things like microstuttering from all the data it's trying to load over the web, to the ads it keeps trying to shove into various corners. A million little splinters that add up over time. Still, I considered myself a power user, someone able to make registry tweaks and PowerShell scripts to suit my needs.

Arch isn't particularly difficult for anyone who is comfortable with OSes and has excellent documentation. After installation it is extremely minimal, coming with a relatively bare set of applications to keep it functioning. Using the documentation to make small decisions for yourself like which photo viewer or paint app to install feels empowering. Having all those splinters from Windows disappear at once and be replaced with a system that feels both personal and trustworthy does, in a weird way, kind of border on an almost religious experience. You can laugh, but these are the tools that a lot of us live our daily lives on, for both work and play. Removing a bloated corporation from that chain of trust does feel liberating.


As to why particularly Arch? I think it's just that level of control. I admit it's not for everyone, but again, if you're at least somewhat technically inclined, I absolutely believe it can be a great first distro, especially for learning. Ubuntu has made some bad decisions recently, but even before that, I always found myself tinkering with every install until it became some sort of Franken-Debian monster. And I like pacman way better than apt, fight me, nerds.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I like arch because:

  • it is rolling release and I like having up to date software and not having to deal with distro upgrades breaking things
  • it is community run and not beholden to a company
  • packages are mostly unmodified from their upstream
  • the wiki and forums are the best of any distro
[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
 :: Searching AUR for notes...

 -> Missing AUR Packages: SideNote

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I can't speak to Arch but I use Ubuntu every day. I hate on Ubuntu because I use it every day. They make terrible choices. They've got common, serious issues people have reported at least as far back as 2009 with no acknowledgement or plan to address. I'm on LTS and they push through multiple reboot requiring sets of updates a week, heedless of the impacts.

I don't feel like learning a totally new environment so I'll be switching my main computer to Mint whenever I get the time. So I can deal with someone else's annoying decisions for a while.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

I was at this point until about 3 years ago. Switched to debian, wont look back.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

I feel your pain with Ubuntu, though last time I used it was about a decade ago. As bad as it is (relative to some other distros), it's still miles ahead of Windows. So, you've got that going for you!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I don't know about everyone else, but the last couple of years has had the most unstable Ubuntu releases, with the most unrecoverable releases when issues happen.

I've since moved to Fedora for desktop and straight Debian for server.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

My Ubuntu LTS installs have been rock solid.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I like Fedora. Can't tell yoh why I rolled with it though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I used it a little way back in 2005-2006ish, and decided to give it a try again after a third reinstall of ubuntu within a year last year.

though, I'm about to get a "new" laptop and may toy around with Arch on the old one. I had previously tried setting up Arch in a VM but that's not supported and ended poorly.

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