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For the last two years, a small "skunkworks" at the Ford Motor Company has been working on a low-cost electric vehicle platform, according to Ford CEO Jim Farley. Farley revealed the existence of this new platform during the automaker's quarterly financial results call with investors on Tuesday evening. The company is rethinking its electrification strategy, having now faced up to the reality that the current crop of EVs are too expensive for mass-market adoption to take off.

Ford was early to market with its Mustang Mach-E crossover, itself the product of a skunkworks-style development process: an internal group called Team Edison, formed to add some excitement to what was originally going to be a more boring compliance car. The team also took the bold step of making a fully electric version of the country's bestselling vehicle, the F-150 pickup truck.

Demand for the electric F-150 Lightning appeared strong, but a series of price hikes has resulted in really expensive trucks languishing on dealer forecourts and Ford cutting production shifts to reduce output. The Mustang Mach-E is still selling, although with barely any growth year on year.

Ford also split its EV activities into a separate division, called Model e, which exposes just how much money this is all costing—a loss of $4.7 billion. That's quite a lot more than the $3 billion it thought Model e would lose in 2023.

Farley said the company will develop smaller and cheaper EVs, although he did not announce any specific new models by name. "All of our EV teams are ruthlessly focused on cost and efficiency in our EV products because the ultimate competition is going to be the affordable Tesla and the Chinese OEMs," he said.

"We made a bet in silence two years ago," Farley said of Ford's newest skunkworks. "They've developed a flexible platform that will not only deploy to several types of vehicles but will be a large install base for software and services," he told investors.

Ford may scale back some of its battery factory ambitions, too. "One of the things we’re taking advantage of in taking some timing delays is rationalizing the level and timing of our battery capacity to match demand and actually reassessing the vertical integration that we’re relying on, and betting on new chemistries and capacities," Farley said.

In 2023, Ford announced and then canceled a $3.5 billion plant to manufacture lithium iron phosphate battery packs in Michigan. But there are also three lithium-ion factories in the works in Kentucky and Tennessee.

Ford no longer expects Model e to be profitable by 2026, but Ford CFO John Lawler said that Model e would need to stop losing money "sooner or later."

"EVs are here to stay, customer adoption is growing, and their long-term upside is central to Ford+," said Lawler. "The customer insights we’re getting by being an early mover in electric pickups, SUVs, and commercial vehicles are invaluable—especially as we're developing next-generation EVs that are going to surprise customers and be profitable within a year of launch."

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

These doofuses at Ford can't seem to trace slow sales to absurd price hikes. The lightning was the electric truck that made sense all the way up until it didn't. Now it's back the the drawing board.

I'm for what we gotta do to get off gas and weaken that oil money, but I wish these manufacturers would stop pretending like they didn't know what the problem was.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Be nice if the powerboost or the lightning was a PHEV.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Cheaper electric cars would be great. But there are some elephants in the room. At least in the UK, insurance premiums are rising fast for EVs , due to expensive parts and long repair times. And they were already higher than ICV insurance due to higher list price and more powerful drivetrains. The charging network is growing very slowly and public fast chargers tend to be expensive. I haven’t done the maths, but I am not convinced the total cost of ownership works out well for EVs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I was so disappointed when Smart Car pulled out of North America. Those cars were so great for city living, nothing as compact available in the US now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (8 children)

I never got those cars. The only use case I could see was what you described: high density downtown living. They are small but that's it. They were not cheap. They were not efficient. They were not convenient in any way other than the footprint. And if you are living and driving in a downtown area where the small size is a benefit, there is a good chance walking or other public transit options are more available anyway.

They just seemed way too niche.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Agreed. Almost without fail it's easier on those environments to either be too rich to give a fuck what you drive or too poor and take transit at best.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (10 children)

We badly need a ten thousand dollar car in the US. The price of a new automobile has gotten batshit insane and I look enviously overseas to places that can get cheap, modern Chinese EVs.

American automakers are doing the country a disservice by not following suit.

Or, dammit, let me buy a fucking Chinese car.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You can barely find a good used ICE car for $10,000, so I don't think that's ever gonna happen.

But one of my many myriad problems with the current crop of EVs is that they won't be under $10,000 on the used market for a long time, since they're starting at $30,000 and way, way up.

If we want to electrify the fleet of American cars - which also has many myriad problems - we need for normal folks to be able to buy and use them.

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