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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (20 children)

Church of Emacs vs. Cult of vi is the only true rivalry. Enlightenment will only be found taking one of these paths.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Lots of discussion here of Zed being macOS-only. Multiplatform support is being tracked in this issue for Linux, Windows, and web:

https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/5391

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

From the Atom team? The same Atom that takes forever to load? Gonna be a hard pass from me, even if it does make it to PCs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

The technology is nothing alike though. Atom is Electron and Javascript where Zed is Rust with its own custom UI toolkit.

And on the current version of Pulsar (the only real community fork of Atom seeing active development), startup time to point of the editor being usable is actually slightly faster than VSCode.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I think this editor is supposed to be super fast because of their GPU or whatever libraries. It's also supposed to be written in Rust.

So far there's no extensions and just on Mac. Maybe when those open up I'll take a closer look.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I mean, it was DOA at "From the Atom team".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

~~Could someone let me in the joke and tell me what editor this guy's comparing VScode too?~~

Oh Zed. I think it's got promise but cross platform is gonna be necessary for mass adoption.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (9 children)

It's funny how many people online use VS Code. But I've heard that this might be a US thing. Here, everyone uses the JetBrain products (which are far superior imo).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Fuck vs code, jetbrains all the way!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I have a full JetBrains sub paid out for five years. I have dropped JetBrains for VS Code because I got tired of switching editors for everything and dealing with a Java-centric setup when I tried to streamline. Their decision to drop community Rust support in favor of only paid more recently also doesn’t sit well with me, especially given the PyCharm setup.

I swore up and down I would never leave Sublime for JetBrains.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

The right tool for the right job. I use both, depending on what task I have.

This goes for most things in tech - there's no one best language, there's only really a best language for any given job.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (5 children)

To be fair, there's a big difference.

VS Code is a text editor / IDE. Compared to something like Notepad++, it's super slow to open/load, it's UI feels laggy at times, and it's just overkill for opening a text file. Compared to specialized log viewers, it struggles with large files and is generally super slow.
But compared to "full" IDEs like IntelliJ, it's marginal in coding features, lacking important analysis and testing support, plus integrations with ~everything.

If you find yourself in the middle, like many JS developers do, not actually needing the biggest IDE but also needing more than just a text editor, it's a fine tool. As a Java Backend Dev, VS Code feels like a joke if applied to that, OTOH.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

it's super slow to open/load, it's UI feels laggy at times, and it's just overkill for opening a text file.

Because it's a webbrowser in disguise. The most complex and inperformant GUI rendering system in existence.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Everyone I know in Europe uses either Visual Studio or vscode.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Me, a European, using Xcode and Eclipse ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm in Europe and VS Code is very popular, JetBrains stuff is around too tho. Both are bloated but VS Code is still way lighter.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

VSCodium is less bloated

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Its just the swiss army knife of the editor world.

My hopes for a vscode replacement are on lapce.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Latin American. When VSCode was first released, immediately jumped from Atom. Never locked back.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I for a long time thought VS Code was an Atom fork because of how simmilar they were

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For jvm stuff definitley yes. For other things I often prefer VS Code.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (9 children)

How is a MacOS only editor without extensions going to gain enough traction to be widely adopted?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They are tracking support for other OSes, and I took a look at the Linux roadmap, and they've made some good headway from the last time I looked. I would use it for its UI performance. I don't like how everything these days use Electron. It also supports Language Server Protocol, so adding extensions for languages should be fairly simple for the community to do. The multiple collaboration seems cool too, although I think most devs would seldom use it.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Based on their FAQ, they are not shooting for widespread adoption yet. Extension support and multi-platform appears to be on the roadmap.

Fwiw, I like a lot of the ideas behind the editor, and long-term I might consider it a viable option for some of my work.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

They're planning Linux support

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

The media coverage for this, half backed suplime clone, is just weird.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

With the power of circlejerk

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (10 children)

No kidding. One of the YouTubers I followed was really shilling Zed editor. He didn't seem to mention that it was Mac only.

Well, I guess it's back to neovim on kiTTY terminal for me.

Sometimes I swear Mac based developers think the world revolves around them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You're already on a superior editor friend. Don't fall for the propaganda of lesser tools (that of course being anything not neovim)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Eeeehhhh, I was kinda jealous of one of my coworkers Doom Emacs setup. He had automated like 80% of his own job with it. Still haven't bothered to try to learn it myself. One of these days...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What did they automate? I'm trying to get some ideas for my Neov... uhhhh... Emacs with evil-mode setup.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

He did this thing where he unified his shell history across thousands of hosts - it was super handy given our extensive use of Ansible playbooks and database managment commands. He could then use a couple hotkeys to query this history within a new open document. Super handy for writing out shell command steps or wrapping things in a bash script you're working on. Unfortunately I don't really have a link to HOW to do this, I just remember thinking "Oh my god, that would save me SO much time".

Nowadays, I just have this giant document with hundreds of our runbook commands and enable Github Copilot to make it SUPER easy to do the same thing without establishing an SSH session in the backend.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wow, that's super useful! I don't have thousands of hosts, but even with a dozen, it would save me so much time. Why have I never thought of doing this? Thanks for the idea! (now I just need a few lonely evenings configuring the thing)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

They can implement lsp support, sshfs, and it already has multiple themes which would work for me after it gets ported to linux

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

And it has no name in this meme 👍

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Only if they actually port it which is what they claim they will do but until then not at all

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