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Only 44% rate U.S. health care quality as “good” or “excellent,” a 20-year low.
It's quite high. In Russia it's 39%[1], 28% in lowest income bracket, 59% in highest income bracket and 41% in median-like bracket(sadly, it is not median). And USA citizen in Russia will receive more healthcare, than USA citizen in USA.
I think, just like Varlamov said about public transport and urban planning, the less people happy with healthcare - the better it will become. Or as it was in his example: in good cities residents say "LMAO, look how shitty my city is, here's photos", while in bad cities residents say "this is not shit on streets, this is fecal traditions". I think it applies to all goverment policies.
this is with them hamstringing the aca during the last trump administration and with the mistake of allowing one company to own multiple sectors of the industry (hostpitals and insurance and pharmacy and manufacture and provider)
why wasn't this a headline two months ago? what has changed?
Damn, ABC News, look at you out here dropping such a huge scoop on everybody. You're a credit to modern journalism ABC News and totally not a bought-and-paid-for corportate psyops firm run by republiQans for shackling the poors.
They should be unhappy with capitalism, as this shit is just a symptom.
All Capitalists (and their minions) Are Bastards.
But... but the main health insurance industry association, AHIP, says that 75% of Americans like their employer provided health insurance! Surely they can't be wrong!
/s
I mean, I generally do like my employer health insurance, but it's also genuinely a really good plan that I've largely had zero issues or outright denials. (I do sometimes have to get my doctor's office and insurance to talk to one another appropriately, but that's just as much on the doctor).
But I would gladly give up my health insurance for a nationalized healthcare system. Not even a question.
A whole 1,000 people polled too!
But nothing will change.
How could this be?!
You mean even after Congress slapped a [$35] band-aid on the problem...checks notes...16 years ago, and have only picked away at it since then, they still want more?
How could you tell?
That's some ace reporting. I wonder what clued them in?
One of the desk editors read about it on facepals.
Wow ABC, good fucking job.
Brilliant report.
You really have your finger on the pulse or something...
Yeah, no shit.
no!? really!? wow!!
We want universal healhcare. Those who "suffer" due to lack of income after it rolls out can talk to a therapist for low to no cost.
Some of you want that. Some of us do not want that.
I want to eliminate company provided healthcare. There may be better programs for me, but if I try to look elsewhere I discover that my company pays more than $1000/month for my insurance and if I go elsewhere I lose that all. As such no other plans can compete with what I get. In turn that means my insurance reports to and cares about my company and not what I think.
I want to eliminate company provided healthcare.
That is what universal healthcare for.
You need to go back and read what I said, not make a comment that completely ignores my argument. Yes universal healthcare is for that, but there are other options that I support instead.
You're rolling 16tons... And what do you get.
So what would happen if you stopped working at this place for whatever reason, or the company itself ceased to exist? Just wondering how that situation would affect things.
A big mess. I generally can pay full price to keep the current insurance but now I need to come up with that $1000 per month while I don't have a job.
You don't want universal healthcare but you agree that tying health insurance to a private company is awful.
So what's your hangup? You don't want your taxes to go up? If so, I can assure you it won't be $12000/year.
I want health insurance from a private company of MY choice. I don't want to choose my job based on what health insurance they provide. Right now nobody reports to me - there is no incentive anywhere for me.
So that still doesn't tell me why you don't want universal healthcare...
Because I believe in the free market. But what we means I'm not actually in the market and so the free market isn't serving me.
But private health insurance can coexist with universal healthcare
Maybe, but generally universal has subsidies and so private cannot compete. Or universal has limits on coverage thus making poor who really need help unable to get good care
"Subsidies", lol. USSA subsidised its private health insurance companies more, than any other in the world. Private companies are great at double-charging. That's why healthcare should be single-payer system.
Or universal has limits on coverage thus making poor who really need help unable to get good care
What do you even try to say? Let's say I break leg. In country with UHC I will:
- Be transported by ambulance
- Get x-ray
- Get surgery if needed
- Get cast
- Get stay in hospital if needed
- Get cast removed
- Go home happy and healthy
In country without UHC I will:
- Pay
- Pay
- Maybe see a doctor
- Pay
- Pay
- Pay
- Maybe get cast
- Pay
- Got sent home and pay
- Pay more
- Maybe get bone to heal, but neither be happy, nor healthy due to malnutrition
- Get cast removed for extra payment
In first example I spent about 1$ for metro ticket back home, while in second one I would be bankrupt 12 times.
What if you have a tumor that needs to be removed but the doctors determine it isn't cancer. How long do you wait?
That second sentence isn't true
Why would someone in a universal system get prikate insurance anyway
Maybe private insurance is problem then? Because they used to not have viable alternatives? Or how would ancap phrase it "used to not have competetion".
The problem is tax law! The money my company pays for my health insurance is not taxed. If instead of giving me their insurance they give me that $1000/month what I get (after taxes) is around $700/month.
As such private insurance as learned to serve their customer: the company I work for. Since I'm not the customer they do not serve me. There is plenty of competition in private insurance, but I don't get too look for it, I'm limited to whatever my company gives me as options, which works out to two different plans from the same company with tiny differences.
what I get (after taxes) is around $700/month.
Is it not subtracted from taxes? In Europe paying for healthcare generally counts as pre-tax expence, so you pay taxes as if you did not receive money that you paid for healthcare. Basically less direct private healthcare subsidy.
Since I'm not the customer they do not serve me.
Yep. That's also why having UHC is better.
US tax law around health care is bad. That is my point.
UHC the customer is the government, not you. Well indirectly you since you own the government, but you then have to figure out if you vote for the person who wants UHC like you or the one who [something else unrelated to health care].
UHC the customer is the government, not you. Well indirectly you since you own the government,
True, goverment does not exist in a vacuum. Even Putin's authoritarianism can't ignore dissatisfaction. And goverment is not just owned by people, it IS people.
but you then have to figure out if you vote for the person who wants UHC like you or the one who [something else unrelated to health care].
I'm thinking how to reply for 15 minutes, and still have no idea. Almost all people who want to be elected are either in support of UHC(left, most nationalists), want to be seen as supporting(right, Putin's oligarchs) or would not care, but opposing UHC would contradict their ideology(pirates). And opposing single-payer models in general... It's a suicude.
You appear to be somewhere in the EU from you comment. So what if you want to make a small change to UHC?
As somebody who has by now lived in 2 countries with Universal Healthcare I can answer that:
- It's for people who want faster access to non-emergency medical treatment than the public system will provide.
So if you want to not to have to wait months for specialist appointments and surgery and you can afford it, you get Healthcare Insurance. This even more so for aesthetic and run of the mill dental treatment - the Public isn't going to, for example, just put you in front of the queue to give you an implant unless it's deemed necessary because of your health, so if your concern is about your appearance you'll have to wait years or it won't even be covered.
Mind you, the whole thing is still backed by the Public Healthcare System: if during a surgery at a private hospital you have massive complications they'll generally transfer you to a Public Hospital.
Further, even in the Private everything is way cheaper because of the massive competition from the Public System, plus the Public even uses its leverage to keep the prices of more common medicine low (basically since most of the prescriptions are done by doctors in the Public System, for things were there are multiple options the most expensive stuff doesn't get prescribed unless it offers enough benefit versus the cheaper options to justify it, so for example things like Insulin are way cheaper if you get it without a prescription from a Public System doctor and free or near free if you do because the State pays most or all of the price)
Anyways, the single biggest benefit of Universal Healthcare which the "free market is the best" (in this case it isn't: in general the free market optimizes for profit, not for outcomes, and further, in this domain people will pay whatever it takes to survive and don't actually have the expertise to judge the quality of treatment and know the availability of other options, so there is no natural free market here) crowd forgets is the peace of mind and freedom Universal Healthcare gives:
- if you lose your job, you're still fine even if you have and accident or get sick
- if you want to change jobs you have total freedom as you won't be without Healthcare for you and your family in the period between jobs
- if you need or want to stop working on a regular jobs (because you want to start your own company or want to take a sabatical or want to go back to school and get a degree) you can without losing your Healthcare coverage during that period and it's going to be way cheaper than if you had to pay Health Insurance (and copays) during that time.
Private Healthcare Systems are very much prisons that keep people tied to traditional jobs,
All of your bullets are specific to company provided health care. Which is why I oppose that.
I don't want a company for which I work being in the middle of me and healthcare either.
Just one more chain, isn't it.