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I nominate this NYT opinion piece for shittiest take of 2024!

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Well the headline and take are both hot garbage, but it's interesting new information to know that both parties in this case were class traitors for different sides lmao

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago

His tongue must be so sore from all that bootlicking.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago

Just when you thought the NY Times' reputation couldn't get any worse this year ...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As soon as you're born, they make you feel small By giving you no time instead of it all Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all

A working class hero is something to be

They hurt you at home, and they hit you at school They hate you if you're clever, and they despise a fool Till you're so fucking crazy, you can't follow their rules

A working class hero is something to be

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty-odd years Then they expect you to pick a career When you can't really function, you're so full of fear

A working class hero is something to be

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see

A working class hero is something to be

There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill

A working class hero is something to be

If you want to be a hero well just follow me

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

The media represents world that is more real than reality that we can experience. People lose the ability to distinguish between reality and fantasy. They also begin to engage with the fantasy without realizing what it really is. They seek happiness and fulfilment through the simulacra of reality, e.g. media and avoid the contact/interaction with the real world. (Note: This quote is fake and does not appear in Simulacra and Simulation. I tried to delete it, but the system doesn't allow that because this quote has "too many fans" lol.)

Jean Baudrillard, Simulacra and Simulation

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

It's an opinion piece, burn it for warmth. That's the only use for it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

bret is nyt's go-to cryptofascist. he's always got these bootlicking propaganda pieces.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Another rich conservative asshole writing about the working class as if he has any idea wtf he's talking about. He doesn't, of course, but it's the NYT so that doesn't matter.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

"Kill weeds with a knife"

... so like sneaking up to unsuspecting plants and slitting their that's throats? Fucking monster

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Geez, NYT, how’s the boot taste?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Oh man, working class.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Thomson hid behind company sponsored laws passed by bought politicians to legally kill tens of thousands of people despite valid insurance coverage. He is nothing more than a murderous villain, but it's not the least bit surprising that the NYT thinks he's a hero.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

All this suggests that Mangione may prove to be a figure out of a Dostoyevsky novel — Raskolnikov with a silver spoon. It’s a familiar type. Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, better known as Carlos the Jackal, was a lawyer’s son whose mother moved him to London before he went on to become an international terrorist. Osama bin Laden came from immense wealth. Angry rich kids jacked up on radical, nihilistic philosophies can cause a lot of harm, not least to the working-class folks whose interests they pretend to champion.

Congratulations, you just identified pretty much the only subclass of people who have led successful working-class revolutions.

That's capital for ya.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

It’s the inherent reason the ruling class wants people dumb, poor, and preoccupied. If you’re of reasonable intelligence, have free time, and the means to address concerns as they arise you are more likely to be able to educate yourself about injustices that are extremely infuriating to the point of reaching either nihilism or anger

Does the person working 2 jobs and raising 3 kids have time to read the news in depth? To read books on theory and philosophy? To read about the history of atrocities and research a conflict? No. But the upper class child of a lawyer who went to school for free and got to take a gap year when they felt stressed? They just might, if they can look past the consumerist glitter that’s constantly distracting them.

Kohlberg theorized that morality develops with life experience and there is a stage called post-conventional morality that not everyone reaches. This is where we start to move beyond maintaining social order by following externally designated rule systems (like laws) and start to define internal ethics that doesn’t inherently align with those laws. Laws themselves become social contracts rather than rules and must be changed when they no longer serve the greater good. At the highest level ones personal ethics supersede laws and it can even become necessary to break laws that are unjust intentionally

This is illustrated by responses to the Heinz dilemma, which is what the initial research was based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_dilemma

Reaching post-conventional morality requires stronger abstract reasoning skills. That requires education and (to some degree) genetics. As a result only a small portion of the populace make it past stage 4 (which again, is follow the rules and obey authority to keep social order). If you give people more education and free time to develop their empathic morality outside of external moral systems (eg religion, laws) more people would get there, probably. I think it’s already happened, most of the research on how many people fall into which category is 20-40 years old at this point and a lot has changed significantly in that time. But again, a system that allows for this is a system in which people start complaining loudly and demanding change to injustices so we’ve also seen tremendous destruction to worker compensation, the education system, etc in that same timeframe so who knows

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Propaganda so bad plebs can deconstruct on the go

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's room at the top they are telling you still

But first you must learn how to smile as you kill

If you want to be like the folks on the hill

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't even care for guy, but this one always stood

As you age, it ages like the finest of wine.

It is hard to fult grasp what he is really saying. It takes life experience

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Hard agree my friend

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Stephens is known for his neoconservative foreign policy opinions and for being part of the right-of-center opposition to Donald Trump.

You guys, this is "The Point", it's supposed to be polemic. I'm not saying the opinion's not dumb, but it's literally the column's job to incite a ton of debate by publishing like journals on quantum gravity.

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