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As a strong supporter of open-source and community-funded projects like Lemmy, which prioritize serving users over investors, I believe Lemmy has significant potential, and that's why I am here. However, it is clear that its growth is nearing a plateau in its current form. Despite the surge in users following Reddit's API changes, Lemmy continues to primarily attract tech-savvy individuals, politically left-aligned users, and those accustomed to old Reddit. For Lemmy to reach the broader average general audience, meaningful changes are necessary.

The rise of Bluesky demonstrates the importance of ease of use and a user-friendly design. Its polished and familiar interface is a key reason for its growth and appeal as an alternative to platforms like X/Twitter. This same ease of use is what Mastodon lacked, leading to its initial hype fading quickly. The average user is unlikely to adapt to something that feels complicated or unfamiliar, and this challenge also applies to Lemmy.

As someone who started as an average Reddit user and became more tech-savvy over time, I can confidently say that first impressions matter. When users first visit lemmy.world, the default UI is often enough to discourage them from staying. Most will not explore the homepage sidebar to explore, figure out and switch to one of the alternative UIs available, which is unfortunate because a better UI could make a huge difference.

This is why I propose that large servers like lemmy.world adopt Photon UI as the default web interface. Photon is currently the best and most mature alternative UI, offering a visually appealing, modular design that feels familiar to users of new Reddit. It makes excellent use of screen space and provides customization options like compact and cozy views. Unlike some other alternative UIs, Photon is actively maintained and ready for widespread use, although in no way is it perfect, this can also help bring in more contributors to the project development.

While it is important to continue offering other UIs as options, I believe adopting Photon as the default UI could make Lemmy far more appealing to the average Reddit user. First impressions are crucial, and the current default UI has turned off many potential users. If we want Lemmy to succeed as a true Reddit alternative, we need to prioritize user experience and accessibility. Thankfully today, Lemmy still continues to be THE biggest Reddit alternative, while our userbase is still considerably smaller than Reddit, it's the biggest of any alternatives, and Lemmy continues to somewhat be in the spotlight for those seeking alternatives, we can't let growth stagnate, it's high time we make the platform more welcoming and appealing for the average joe.

EDIT: The image I attached is from photon.lemmy.world, which I just realized is using the outdated version of Photon, I have updated the image to the updated current photon version from phtn.app. There are a lot of improvements made.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

I don't see any issue with the current UI.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Lol no. We need a UI that doesn't require JavaScript.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

can we be best friends please?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lemmy isn't a UI, it's just data. Each app that connects to lemmy (not instances in the fediverse, but apps that let you sign into a lemmy account) has their own interface. A person can (and probably has) made an app with a modern interface for lemmy.

We are not confined to a specific app or interface, anyone can interface with Lemmy and present the data in their own way.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The most used UI for Lemmy is developed by the Lemmy project. Lemmy UI is modular, but Lemmy is definitely also a UI.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

I don't use lemmy, so I don't have to suffer it's UI. I use Mbin/Kbin and the UI is almost perfect with the settings I changed, I get like 8-9 posts simply laid out with a little thumbnail and the title, no useless features or buttons. Just like old classic reddit, just slightly less compact.

But this "Photon UI" looks absolutely disgusting, I get it might be how the modern web is, but modern isn't always a good thing, especially when talking about UI/UX.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I thought the point of Linux was the ability to customize anything, including your layout?

Not criticizing, just confused as to who this use case would be aimed at.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Eww. I don't like that screenshot at all. I vastly prefer the more info dense version I use that looks like classic reddit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mistakenly used the old photon version, I have updated the post with the image of the new current updated version of Photon.

You can customize photon's post layout to make it more info dense, even more than the newer image I have attached on the post.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

While I do favour that UI improvements are needed - in particular for guest views and community sidebars, I'd say defo chasing the "big social" trends and UIs is not the way to go. Heck, I left Reddit partly because of the new UI (I know about old.reddit, it's just there's no promise of any kind to maintain it).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I’m working on my own Lemmy client that I’m hoping will be both a better UI, but also universally better as an app (phone and tablet), MacOS app, and on the web. Voyager provides a web version, but it’s not optimized for larger screens.

My app will deliver the best experience on all screen sizes and will take the best of Reddit, Voyager, etc.

I’m 14 days in lol but if anyone is interested please DM me. I’m happy to share what I’m working on, but I just ask you have realistic expectations as this will likely be 6+ month project to deliver something that can actually compete with existing clients.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Hey, how are you doing?

https://phtn.app/ has the latest version, seems quite faster

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