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As a strong supporter of open-source and community-funded projects like Lemmy, which prioritize serving users over investors, I believe Lemmy has significant potential, and that's why I am here. However, it is clear that its growth is nearing a plateau in its current form. Despite the surge in users following Reddit's API changes, Lemmy continues to primarily attract tech-savvy individuals, politically left-aligned users, and those accustomed to old Reddit. For Lemmy to reach the broader average general audience, meaningful changes are necessary.

The rise of Bluesky demonstrates the importance of ease of use and a user-friendly design. Its polished and familiar interface is a key reason for its growth and appeal as an alternative to platforms like X/Twitter. This same ease of use is what Mastodon lacked, leading to its initial hype fading quickly. The average user is unlikely to adapt to something that feels complicated or unfamiliar, and this challenge also applies to Lemmy.

As someone who started as an average Reddit user and became more tech-savvy over time, I can confidently say that first impressions matter. When users first visit lemmy.world, the default UI is often enough to discourage them from staying. Most will not explore the homepage sidebar to explore, figure out and switch to one of the alternative UIs available, which is unfortunate because a better UI could make a huge difference.

This is why I propose that large servers like lemmy.world adopt Photon UI as the default web interface. Photon is currently the best and most mature alternative UI, offering a visually appealing, modular design that feels familiar to users of new Reddit. It makes excellent use of screen space and provides customization options like compact and cozy views. Unlike some other alternative UIs, Photon is actively maintained and ready for widespread use, although in no way is it perfect, this can also help bring in more contributors to the project development.

While it is important to continue offering other UIs as options, I believe adopting Photon as the default UI could make Lemmy far more appealing to the average Reddit user. First impressions are crucial, and the current default UI has turned off many potential users. If we want Lemmy to succeed as a true Reddit alternative, we need to prioritize user experience and accessibility. Thankfully today, Lemmy still continues to be THE biggest Reddit alternative, while our userbase is still considerably smaller than Reddit, it's the biggest of any alternatives, and Lemmy continues to somewhat be in the spotlight for those seeking alternatives, we can't let growth stagnate, it's high time we make the platform more welcoming and appealing for the average joe.

EDIT: The image I attached is from photon.lemmy.world, which I just realized is using the outdated version of Photon, I have updated the image to the updated current photon version from phtn.app. There are a lot of improvements made.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I believe adopting Photon as the default UI could make Lemmy far more appealing to the average Reddit user.

How are you supporting that belief? Any data? Any A/B testing?

I don't want to sound too harsh, but you have sort of marked yourself as a representative of "average OG ex-redditor" or "average joe". Actually, you refer to "average" quite a lot. But honestly, without any supporting evidence, it's just words to make the proposal more appealing or relevant. If we remove all this cruft (which might be supported by anecdotal study, but that should barely count, if even), what arguments are here that actually remain?

Don't get me wrong, if you said that you like "something like Photon" more than the current default UI, then great! It is awesome that other alternatives exist and when people find them, it's great to share the review. (It's how I have discovered so much of great software!) But then again, it's all subjective, right? In your proposal, you seem to tend to state lot of these subjective opinions as if they were objective, which to me makes the proposal just far less convincing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

But I like the current UI...

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

Every time I see the example of people used to Twitter complaining about Mastodon's UX and UI, the experience of using the Twitter app and the constant struggle of figuring out whether the non-sense anomaly you see is a bug or just a feature to keep you locked in is becoming an even more painful memory...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't think the problem is the UI. Fediverse is more complex by nature than a centralized platform.

You have to choose a server, then an app to visualize (not only online but on the phone too) and there's plenty of alternatives.

If everybody joined the same server we end up with a centralized system and if every large server has to use specific UI what's the point on decentralizing?

I also thought that fediverse had to try to be easier to use but the point is that it's more complicated precisely because the user has more power and hence has to do more decisions.

And I think people have to understand the basics of the fediverse, otherwise people will not stay precisely because it's more complicated. If I didn't care a bit I would be on Reddit not here and I'm currently using both because there's simply much more content there and hopefully with time I can use Lemmy more and less reddit. I'm willing to do the effort of slowly transitioning because I believe in this but people who doesn't care won't stick around.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

I'm fine with having less normies and an non-algorithmichal echo chamber of fellow leftists and tech savvy persons. These are my homies.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lemmy continues to primarily attract tech-savvy individuals, politically left-aligned users

You say that like it's bad 😊

Your points are valid, but you do run on the assumption that growth is good, which is not an universal truth IMO.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As someone trying to keep the non-tech communities active, having a few active posters would definitely be an improvement

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, I just want to point out that opening the floodgates will get you the fish, but also a lot of mud.

What communities do you manage?

Personally I think the day to day UX is fine, but finding communities is the real mess.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks!

About link for finding new communities, I worded my request badly, I am not interested in finding new communities, I'm interested in finding specific communities. Thanks though!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Newcommunities has posts where the active communities on a topic are posted, so that can help

Also https://lemmyverse.net/communities

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sure, but it's impractical when you search for a community.

Edit: tried your link, but the search function doesn't seem to work. I searched for "art" and got technology, world news & shit post.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just tried, art indeed seems too broad for some reason.

I just tried "television" and got relevant results. "video games" and "trains" work too

There was this post from 4 months ago, I'll start a new one today: https://lemmy.world/post/19101266

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe "art" is just too short a search keyword, but some longer gave quite wonky results too, or just nothing.

Good initiative! (Still doesn't help how to quickly find a community though).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

some longer gave quite wonky results too, or just nothing.

What did you try?

Also, the art post for today: https://lemmy.world/post/23089448

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks, I appreciate it but it's still the hassle to find communities IMO. The (my) first post was about UX and how hard it is to search and find communities, I hope people try to improve that before improving the general UX.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, it's far from perfect. Nobody is really working on this unfortunately as far as I know

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I tried to scan the lemmyverse by checking out known instances on my instance, and then check out instances on them and so on, pinging communities for descriptions and posts, but suddenly my instance knew way too many communities and swell up until it went basically unusable so I had to wipe it clean 🥲.

So I tried, but stopped :-p

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ah, too bad 😅

There was a tool developed some time ago but I can't find it at the moment

And on Lemmy's side: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2951

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Interesting, thanks!

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