im italian and dont consider myself white
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Do you consider yourself a POC?
i dont know? i mean my skin isn't white. i have a darker shade complexion than a "white" person. somewhat similar to someone from a med/middle eastern country.
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Am from Italy, italians are the whitest of the whites. Rome, the church, the basis of modern Patriarchy and white supremacy was born and raised here folks
I'm from Italy as well. I always like to remember a quote from Charles Mingus, who at some point in his career had an entire black band with the exception of his sax player, Charlie Mariano. When asked about it, he answered something along of the lines of "He's not white, he's Italian."
Maybe the social meaning of ethnicity is really relative to the racist empires they're situated in and not on some sort of inherent value
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the basis of modern Patriarchy
So pagans weren’t white?
white supremacy was born
The Norse?
What a weird definition you use
What I meant is simply that the roman empire and the Catholic church forged ideological colonial basis of today, not that racism didn't exist before
Also I meant Patriarchy as an overarching colonial institution, not as an isolated cultural concept. The world wasn't always universally like this, there are many examples of non (or less) patriarchal societies throughout history, and we don't know enough about prehistory to make any definitive judgement on humanity
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white supremacy was born
The Norse?
Where in the world does that come from?
Norse are the Scandinavians
I would say Northern Germanic but it might cause confusion with the country
I meant the accusation that white supremacy was "born" in the nordics.
Maybe I misinterpreted what you meant?
That's great and all, but it means nothing to race theorists.
I don't know what you define as that demographic, but what I said is just the truth. The culture in Italy is very mixed and different between regions, but racism, both cultural and structural, is rampant, even between Italians of the north and south
Holy Roman Empire of German Nation was a thing once...
Well I actually laughed aloud at this on the train. I'm pretty much generic white looking, but have wondered if my resume ever got treated differently for the very Italian last name.
I have a very Italian full name and definitely got treated differently when I was younger. Growing up in a rural area, many of my teachers would ask me to translate Spanish for them. Oh boy.
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It's so ridiculous, too. As far as I can tell, he was arrested, because his clothes looked superficially similar to the person who shot the CEO, but if you spend five seconds comparing the security camera images, it's pretty obvious that none of the clothing items actually match. If they hole him up based on this evidence, that's embarrassing.
Are you forgetting the silenced pistol and fake ID they found on him?
I guess, I'm not up-to-date on the situation then...
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Not even just the clothing. I mean, you can change clothes, and lighting can affect colors pretty wildly (see: white/gold or blue/black dress). I don't think anyone can change the shape of their face, grow a unibrow, and get a darker complexion in the span of 3 days, though.
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Nicola and Bart were Italians, and they were treated clearly as non-white Americans. Though it was another time.
Another failure of American education here. I didn't learn about Sacco and Vanzetti until after high school. And only because Hideo Kojima decided to include the song from Sacco E Vanzetti in two of the Metal Gear games.
Well, he wasn't shot, choked to death, or mangled in the back of a police van at the time of arrest, so that's already a win for him.
Or locked up in the back and placed on train tracks...
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It is and always has been a class war. The owners love us squabbling over skin color.