both are parasites.
this post was submitted on 09 Dec 2024
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Every house that is owned for an investment contributes to the high price of housing. People shouldn’t own homes if they’re not going to make them a home. It’s unethical in my view to hoard real estate.
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If you make a profit for allowing another person shelter (particularly if you don't need that space for yourself and/or your own family), then you are a parasite.
A bit of a hyperbole, but for the sake of this discussion, let's say there is a house and no one can afford it but me. If I don't buy it and rent it, no one can live in it. What would be the right thing to do?
The market determines the price. If no one can afford it the price is too high.
I take umbrage with the hypothetical itself. Do you believe that buying the property and renting it out is the only possible solution here?
The "right thing" would be to not have a situation like that in the first place where only one person (or one small group of people) can afford to own the roof over their head.
But, obviously, an option you're neglecting here, is letting people live in the property without paying rent. Nobody is forcing you to make a profit off people's basic needs for survival.
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Reduce the price of the house
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Go invest in nice cars, miniatures, god damn funko pops or stamps.
Not in roofs that belong over peoples heads. People need them, you don’t. It’s that fucking simple.
They got no cap rate... How are they supposed to rent seek.
No.
I of course can't speak for anyone except myself, but for me, what your aunt is doing is what essentially capitalism is all about.
Its when those landlords get replaced by venture capital corporations and reits that it becomes a problem.
In your aunts case, the rent money stays local, contributes back to the local economy, etc...
In the case of venture capital and corporate ownership, the only goal is to increase a stock price for a corporation. None of that money gets returned to the local economy except for possibly hiring a local property management firm to handle things on the ground for them.
When capitalism remains about people, all of good. When corporations take the reins of ownership so their profit becomes the sole motive is when things go bad.
what your aunt is doing is what essentially capitalism is all about.
Both things can be true. Capitalism is inherently parasitic.
Capitalism is inherently parasitic
I fundamentally disagree with that.
Venture Capitalism is parasitic. But Capitalism itself is not at all. At it's heart, if we continue with the landlord analogy, let's say that you are renting a house from the OP's Aunt. She's paying the building insurance. She's paying the maintenance, (or in some good old fashioned cases doing it themselves). She's dealing with the paperwork involved in owning a home. Hell, in some cases you don't even have to mow your own lawn. So of course she's charging you rent. It's not a charity.
But if she's a private owner, than your rent stays with her. She uses what she needs to maintain the building and...yes...makes a profit that then gets spent in the local economy.
The only time there's an issue is when your rent is being sent to a corporation that may not even be in the same country as you, and that money leaves your local economy for good.
To use an anecdotal example, I've worked in my time for two different furniture stores in my town. One was a chain, and one was/is a family run operation from the beginning. And yes...that family is wildly successful; I'm not guessing millionaires, but close to it. And I don't begrudge them at all for that. Because it's family owned, they aren't forced to only care about a stock price or about profit. My boss would randomly come up to me, sometimes multiple times a year, clap me on the back and say "You're doing a good job, I'm going to add a buck an hour to your wage."
Because they can. Because for all intents and purposes, you've got a better chance to be treated like a human being when a corporation isn't in the way.
The chain furniture store would only give out raises when forced to by government mandated cost of living increases, because anything more would cause the stock price to go down.
The heart of capitalism is my first example. The reality of capitalism is my second unfortunately. But that's not the fault of capitalism itself, it's the lack of government oversight protecting us from predatory corporations.
But that’s not the fault of capitalism itself, it’s the lack of government oversight protecting us from predatory corporations.
I remember when I used to be naive enough to believe this.
The predatory corporations succeeding is capitalism succeeding.
Lol try to be a little more condescending, will you?
Yeah sorry, I guess I'm just tired of this shit.
And I really meant that genuinely, I do remember being that naive... I remember making the exact arguments that person is making. Since then, another decade or so of life experience has informed my positions.
This is the big lie that they tell you in order to put up with the constant exploitation of living in a capitalist society.
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Depends on the person. There are people that mean every landlord. Their reasoning isn't as bad as you might think either. The main issues are that they still exert control over property, a form of private governance; they're denying the same financial stability through housing equity to another family; and they can artificially raise the price of housing.
That happens at every level of being a landlord. Of course the systemic problems only get worse as the number of owned or managed units goes up.
Most people are thinking about the giant corporations holding thousands of units.