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Hello World,

following feedback we have received in the last few days, both from users and moderators, we are making some changes to clarify our ToS.

Before we get to the changes, we want to remind everyone that we are not a (US) free speech instance. We are not located in US, which means different laws apply. As written in our ToS, we're primarily subject to Dutch, Finnish and German laws. Additionally, it is our discretion to further limit discussion that we don't consider tolerable. There are plenty other websites out there hosted in US and promoting free speech on their platform. You should be aware that even free speech in US does not cover true threats of violence.

Having said that, we have seen a lot of comments removed referring to our ToS, which were not explicitly intended to be covered by our ToS. After discussion with some of our moderators we have determined there to be both an issue with the ambiguity of our ToS to some extent, but also lack of clarity on what we expect from our moderators.

We want to clarify that, when moderators believe certain parts of our ToS do not appropriately cover a specific situation, they are welcome to bring these issues up with our admin team for review, escalating the issue without taking action themselves when in doubt. We also allow for moderator discretion in a lot of cases, as we generally don't review each individual report or moderator action unless they're specifically brought to admin attention. This also means that content that may be permitted by ToS can at the same time be violating community rules and therefore result in moderator action. We have added a new section to our ToS to clarify what we expect from moderators.

We are generally aiming to avoid content organizing, glorifying or suggesting to harm people or animals, but we are limiting the scope of our ToS to build the minimum framework inside which we all can have discussions, leaving a broader area for moderators to decide what is and isn't allowed in the communities they oversee. We trust the moderators judgement and in cases where we see a gross disagreement between moderatos and admins' criteria we can have a conversation and reach an agreement, as in many cases the decision is case-specific and context matters.

We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.

As always, if you stumble across content that appears to be violating our site or community rules, please use Lemmys report functionality. Especially when threads are very active, moderators will not be able to go through every single comment for review. Reporting content and providing accurate reasons for reports will help moderators deal with problematic content in a reasonable amount of time.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Before we get to the changes, we want to remind everyone that we are not a (US) free speech instance.

I've never understood this concept. There is no such thing as "(US) free speech". Threats, coercion and blackmail obviously notwithstanding, you're either free to express yourself, or you are not. Of course I understand that right of free expression isn't something that applies to many European people, and there may be pros and cons to that, but nevertheless there is no middle ground on free speech--you're either free or you aren't.

But regardless of that, this is your own private community and you're well within your rights to moderate it however the hell you want, "free speech" really doesn't come into it at all. That's one of the main benefits to federation.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

So theres this document called the US Constitution along with its 27 amendments and it uses a lot of big words and phrases like Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Press, Emancipation, etc. You probably wouldn't get it.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Anyone who wants The Adjuster to be imprisoned is supporting violence against him. Imprisonment is a violent act. Drag thinks the Lemmy.world admins should make sure to remove any comments advocating imprisonment.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)

Imprisonment is meant to be a means of reducing possible harm and a means of reform, but if you disagree with that then you should take it up with the legislators in the USA and not the website admins.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (38 children)

Oh, sorry, are you saying the use of guns is justified and nonviolent if the intention is to reduce further violence?

Drag wonders if this principle could be applied to any recent events...

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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Divisive topic and comment section, but IMO that feels like a fair change. No stance on this topic will ever not be divisive, but I think this is probably the most impartial stance that could be taken

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Everyone who opposes the assassination of one CEO is glorifying the thousands of murders he committed. It's one or the other.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Uh...that's not how it works at all. You should get past that logic in 5th or 6th grade.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Drag disagrees, but drag thought of a better and more fun argument anyway.

Imprisonment is a violent act. Anyone saying the police should imprison The Adjuster is advocating violence, and the admins should remove their comments.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Classic "angry teenager" argument. Not cool.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Maaaaan shut the hell up

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