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TikTok's bid to overturn a law which would see it banned or sold in the US from early 2025 has been rejected.

The social media company had hoped a federal appeals court would agree with its argument that the law was unconstitutional because it represented a "staggering" impact on the free speech of its 170 million US users.

But the court upheld the law, which it said "was the culmination of extensive, bipartisan action by the Congress and by successive presidents".

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The court agreed the law was "carefully crafted to deal only with control by a foreign adversary, and it was part of a broader effort to counter a well-substantiated national security threat posed by the PRC (People's Republic of China)."

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Is there a workaround for the people who are in the US when and if this happens?

I can imagine sideloading(?) but how about the less tech-savvy people?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago

Don't use tiktok

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Again. Not a TikTok ban. A ByteDance ban.
If BytDance sells, TikTok stays.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ban Twitter too, if you ban Tik Tok. Don't do half ass job if you are taking away users choice.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago

They don't have a problem with what is being done, just who are the ones doing it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I mean the issue with TikTok is that they give the data and videos over to the Chinese government to be able to mass process it and search for vulnerabilities or enable social engineering attacks on the US government.

Meanwhile Twitter/X is totally different in that they give the data and videos over the US government to be able to mass process it and search for vulnerabilities or enable social engineering attacks on US citizens.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

But the free market is free, guys! Look at this freedom!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Truly free markets suck. The inevitably become dominated by a small number of monopolies, who fuck over everyone else as hard as possible every day ...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah. That's.. what I said. It's a two-in-one--I recognise that regulation is necessary, yet people seem to oppose it.

Until it benefits them (or, leopards).

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"Free markets" is a complete farce. The only free markets are in places where no government exists like Somalia. In a true free market, anyone could take over a business by sheer force since no laws would be there to protect them.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It helps to think before you type.

The free market is free if and when you play by the same -democratic- rules. Look at Romania, just to name an actual example. Tiktok is much worse than Facebook and (most) others, and being worse is not an easy task here.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Except all the social media are doing the exact same thing. This is pointless political posturing

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Tik Tok is not much worse than Facebook. The only reason is because Facebook cooperates with the US agencies, while they don't get the information from Tik Tok. US does not like that citizen data is going to China instead being able to collect it themselves. From privacy standpoint of the end user, it does not matter who has the data; lost privacy is lost privacy.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I think Tiktok is much worse. It's about a foreign country whose government is pursuing a dictatorial policy trying to interfere in foreign elections (again, look at Romania, for example).

The argument of FB collaborating with the US gov is true I guess, but isn't valid here. China is doing the same, the Chinese government is banning the Western version of Tiktok, too, let alone all other non-Chinese apps. So the 'free market'-argument doesn't make any sense here, it'd be even hypocritical.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah China sure is scary. Centralized social media owned by American billionaires on the other hand can totally be trusted never to interfere in elections.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

The irony of this post is over 9000

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because another countries takes away freedom and eliminates the free market, makes it a non argument if the US does the same? The US is doing the same what China does.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

@thingsiplay

Because another countries takes away freedom and eliminates the free market, makes it a non argument if the US does the same? The US is doing the same what China does.

If so, why then haven't you long been criticizing China the same way you do now the US? Where are these posts?

(Just to say that: The US, China, EU, and all the others can ban Tiktok, Twitter, FB, and all the centralized data collectors. I wouldn't miss any of them, and I think it would be better for the world. But the hypocrisy here in this thread is very telling.)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago

So you are saying I am hypocrisy, because you could not find posts in my history criticizing China? And that makes my critique about the US less true or acceptable? I no longer believe in good faith of your discussion here and will end discussing with you. You have the last word if you want.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

From a national security standpoint of the government, it absolutely does matter who has the data.

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