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macOS is my favourite operating system. Finder in column view with arrow keys to navigate, combined with space for file preview, is incredibly fast and intuitive. Trackpad integration also results in less hand movement. I'm building a Linux (Bazzite) desktop, though, and I've set my sights on the stars.

nnn looks to be an incredible file manager, and was a great recommendation. It looks even more capable than Finder, albeit without scrolling/zooming previews, thanks to macOS having unmatched trackpad functionality. Not to mention Spotlight, which makes opening apps trivial--especially with Alfred available as well. I want to go beyond mere file management, though.

File managenent, browsing, gaming, everything. Just how much can you configure a Linux system to eliminate mouse usage? Shortcut guides welcome (I already know the major ones). I also have a keen interest in tiling window managers, but I've not delved that deep yet. I don't know how to set one up.

Guess I'm forced to learn Emacs/Vim/similar.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Lot of great recommendations so far, but I will mention some of my favourites in case they were missed in the other comments: hyprland for a Wayland compositor / window manager, so you can easily set up keybinds for whatever you want, rofi for launching programs (and much more, I even made rofi-games so I can launch all my games from one place), and yazi for the file manager (use a lot of TUIs in general though).

You CAN go more extreme with the no mouse journey by using something like qutebrowser as your browser but I just use Firefox/librewolf with vimium c and find that's good enough for me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

You can launch steam games from terminal pretty easily.

Browsing can be done with Vimium on Firefox.

Just tackle the times you touch your mouse one issue at a time and you could try putting the mouse in a different room to create a small barrier between you and using it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Completely, if you look at tiling window managers.

If you're a gnome user check out PaperWM as well as Search Light (which is like Spotlight or whatever its called on Mac).

And Vim really is that good. I started using it a few years back and I can't imagine using anything else. There's a bunch of Vim alternatives, like Helix or NeoVim if you want to explore.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Way back when we didn't have X we just lived in the CLI console, text mode, no bitmap buffer. Then, when X came up you used the rodent to point at xterm windows. If you're used to OS X, wait, MacOS, you're going to try recreating equivalent functionality on Linux, which seems a lot of work. Have you looked into adding a trackpad?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

You can go a long way with a touchscreen, but the most annoying thing for me is that in Terminal, using touchscreen selects text instead of scrolling. Other than that, mouse is hardly necessary.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

In the Linux world we have this great training routine called broken updates that forces users to regularly rediscover the magic of text mode. If you're lucky enough to run a specialized graphics card you get to experience this almost every update.

We have a similar program for training users how to cope without WiFi.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not anymore if you run an immutable system

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Lol on nixos I've broken my gui twice so far. Keeping old configurations is nice but I learned the hard way that I should have been keeping copies of my configuration.nix

I haven't tried any ostree based distros yet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Use git if you're not already and you can easily roll back and forward and have feature branches for experimental stuff.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can always break your GUI yourself, but I was talking about updates breaking it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Ah yes that makes sense. I was changing things in the name of "upgrades", not updates after all.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's really easy to go mouseless on Linux/Unix. Just use as many TUI programs as possible since none of them will be mouse-oriented.

Also check out this list: https://github.com/erikw/vim-keybindings-everywhere-the-ultimate-list

A lot of people (myself included) like vim keybindings and want them in other programs, and of course using vim keybindings is inherently mouseless.

Off the top of my head, some software I use:

  • river as my wayland compositor
  • lf for a file browser
  • imv for an image viewer
  • Librewolf with Vimium-C to browse the web
  • mpd + ncmpcpp for listening to music (you can also use cmus if you don't want to use mpd)

I don't use them, but you can also use something like Mutt, Neomutt, or Aerc for an email client, and use CLI bittorrent clients and password managers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

LibreWolf with Vimium-C? Could I do this with Mullvad?

EDIT: Upon second thought, I feel like this might be very easily identifiable, and break the entire purpose of Mullvad

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, exactly, installing additional add-ons for Mullvad browser (except noscript) defeats the purpose. I also find it annoying whenever I have to use Tor Browser or Mullvad Browser because I have to use the mouse.

I use Librewolf for my "normal"/fingerprintable/non-anonymous browsing, but I still try to reduce fingerprintability (don't have too many add-ons installed, RFP is on ofc, I have letterboxing etc).

To be fair, if you want to reduce fingerprintability but still browse the web with just your keyboard, the TUI web browsers could work. Obviously they're pretty uncommon, but I imagine you'd look like any other user of lynx/w3m/etc. So you'd be quite unique but I'm not sure if you'd be distinguishable from other users of the same browser.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I have done a lot to make my environment nearly 100% mouseless. The only exception is gaming. You just need a mouse for most modern gaming.

That said, it requires a large amount of personal customization. If you edit files/code, look into Vim/Neovim. Heck, just learn Vim Key bindings. Sorry, not sorry, it's worth it.

Install vimium in your browser so you don't have to use a mouse nearly at all while browsing the internet. Learn how to use it.

IMHO a tiling window manager is a must if you want to make your setup as keyboard centric as possible. i3 is a good starter. I currently use BSPWM, but there's quite a few to choose from, and they all are roughly the same once you have your keyboard shortcuts in place. Make sure to combine it with an application launcher like dmenu or rofi. If you need a status bar like i3bar, use one (I personally go without).

Get very very familiar with the terminal. You'll know you're down the rabbit hole far enough when you can connect and troubleshoot a WiFi/Ethernet connection without using the mouse. Imho, you don't really need a file manager, though it's nice to have. I do have one on hand just in case, but just a terminal and the good ol' ls command is good enough for me.

Also look into ortholinear keyboards (acronym is OLKB) if you truly want to fly. Pricy investment, but your hands will thank you later, and once you are comfortable with that, the combination of an OLKB with a tiling window manager WILL make you fast.

I became obsessed with foregoing the mouse from 99% of my day to day use of my computer a couple of years ago and it is very very satisfying. Learning curve is high. But IMHO totally worth it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I have a confession. I was strongly considering making a Colemak or Workman keyboard. If there was ever a best way to do it, it would likely be with an ortholinear keyboard on my intended desktop. Might have to now?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This might be a controversial opinion, but I would stick with the QWERTY layout. There's already a lot of cognitive overhead learning things like tiling window managers and Vim key bindings that I don't think that switching up the keyboard layout is really worth it. What affects typing speed most, imho, is muscle memory, speed of thought, and lastly finger reach. Ortholinear keyboards help a lot with that last aspect, and there's differing opinions on what is best.

I think a good place to start is learning to use the Preionic 60% or the Plank 40%. Keep the QWERTY layout, but memorize how to access symbols (and on the 40% numbers) using the additional layer keys.

You can think of layer keys like extra shift keys near the space bar that change not just to capital letters, but also numbers and symbols, that's why you can get away with significantly less keys on the keyboard, and gain much faster reach of your fingers once you memorize these other layouts.

The order I would go is:

  1. Learn Vim/Vimium on a regular keyboard. Learn how to use the terminal to do as many everyday tasks as you can.

  2. Customize and learn to use a tiling window manager on a regular keyboard.

  3. Buy, build, and learn to use an ortholinear keyboard with the tiling window manager.

After you're comfortable with that, you can consider installing the different layouts like COLEMAK onto your ortho and try that out. But honestly I don't think this last step is necessary. Instead I'd start to look at other ortho keyboards you might like more than the preionic or plank.

I now use the ZSA Voyager. My friend enjoys using a custom ortho with a curved surface for ergonomics. And there are typing devices called DataHands that basically completely upend the way one thinks about typing. Its a whole world. Good luck.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The only exception is gaming. You just need a mouse for most modern gaming.

See gyroaim

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can you provide a link? I just see what appears to be a standard game console controller with a touchpad? Maybe I'm not looking at the right device..

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Coming at this from an accessibility… is there any reason the tab, arrow, scape, escape and enter keys would not suffice?

Is it about efficiency? Are Linux GUI apps not expected to be keyboard-only accessible by default?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yes, but keyboard-only is not the "top priority", now that everyone has a mouse, and everyone uses a GUI.

I'm on KDE Plasma. Dolphin is the file manager. F2 to rename. No shortcut to move selected files to a new folder, so I use the arrow keys, and that little key next to right Ctrl that I can guarantee you've never pressed. Eventually, the workflow breaks (when I have to go back to the web browser), if it wasn't already clear that this isn't how Dolphin was designed to be used.

I'm not necessarily trying to outright kill the mouse, but I'd like to keep to a workflow going when I'm using it--hence, why I'd need a fundamentally different setup. If I'm keyboard only for a portion of some task, I'd like to keep to that for other portions, if at all possible. It's just faster and more consistent.

So, I've come for recommendations on software. I've already seen quite a few suggestions that I've never heard of, and I'll be trying a lot of it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

KDE has a huge amount amount of configurable keyboard shortcuts, even many that are not assigned by default. Check out the keyboard shortcuts settings in each app, and in KDE Plasma Settings app.

For moving selected files in Dolphin (and any other file browser) I've always just used Ctrl+X Ctrl+V.

(Btw sounds like you're talking about the "context menu" button, and it's my personal pet peeve that this button is missing from many modern keyboards and laptops. On older Windows you used to be able to do Shift+F10 to get the context menu , but that doesn't work anymore so my main use for the mouse is right-clicking..)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

OK, tiling window managers are neat and so are TUIs, but web pages are also supposed to work with keyboard only. On Windows, F6 will jump between different panels in an application - give that a try.

The key you’re talking about is the menu key, by the way.

Using a modern OS and the modern web with the keyboard only is essentially a solved problem, not only motivated by efficiency, but also to allow access to people with motor disabilities.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Don't run a window manager and you don't need a mouse at all. No problem.

Just don't start X and your problem is solved.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So true, now how do I play Monster Hunter

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Then what was the point of building the gaming rig--

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

$3,000 practice and I cannot afford weed anymore to cope

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