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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As cathartic as it may be, assassinating CEOs will do nothing but embiggen the police state.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Absolutely, random violence isn't going to lead to any sort of systemic change, and it will be used as an excuse to implement fascist policies at an accelerated rate.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Random acts of violence never improve things, targeted acts of violence absolutely act as catalysts for change, including on the systemic level. Whether that change is an improvement or not, depends on how much parallel power an organization has.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Will it? Black people also spontaneously got rights after assassinating the police. Elites never compromise unless they have something to fear.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Did black people get rights by adventurist lone wolves assassinating police?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

MLK popularized the movement but achieved little. Subsequently Malcolm X put forward the same demands in a less friendly tone. The were both necessasary

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes. My point is not that violence is counterproductive, it’s that random, atomized violence is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Organized violence with modern surveillance techniques is virtually impossible. Do you think if enough lone wolves start feeling like CEO's are not great people that would have effect, or do you think it would require a fully underground organized group?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Organized violence with modern surveillance techniques is virtually impossible.

No it isn't. Why would it be? Organized violence happens every day.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I already told you what the effect would be: acceleration toward an even more naked fascism.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

It's true, but as Lenin points out, what matters is building power in systemic fashion. Random acts of violence on their own aren't going to change the system. In my opinion, “Left-Wing” Communism: an Infantile Disorder is an absolute must read because it addresses the question of how to build power effectively, as well as what methods to use and when https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

This is not coming from a centrist position: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Adventurism

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Surprised this hasn’t happened sooner, and at the risk of sounding callous I hope it happens more.

When all non-violent methods of bringing on systemic change fail, all you have left is violence. Perhaps if a few more CEOs got murdered they would think twice about eternal growth at any expense.

How many people have died or suffered as a result of UH’s strive for bigger profits.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

It can't just be CEO's. While CEOs are certainly "no-angels" they are the public face of late-stage capitalism. Board Members and "share holders" who often don't even have their name publicly associated with any industry of misery are the ones profiting from the existing misery. You have to get them all.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Thoughts and prayers to the other ceos out there