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I would like to introduce you lovely OpenSource Lovers to a GIT-Alternative called FOSSIL that I also stumbled upon because of this Blog. It's basically opensource Github-in-a-box which means it's an SCM with:

  • Bug-tracker
  • Ticketting-system
  • Forum
  • Wiki-system
  • even a Chat-functionality
  • Has built-in GUI
  • Also has a Web-Server
  • Self-Hostable like Gitea/Forgejo

& the best part it's all in ONE STANDALONE FILE!!! which is extremely lightweight which you can copy to your $PATH & works even in crappy internet. how cool is that!!

However this tool supports a completely different style of development in FOSS called the "Cathedral-Style" whereas GIT suports a "Bazaar-Style" The person behind Fossil is the creator of SQLite, Dr.Richard Hipp & they even made other projects to support Fossil like a PIC-Like language called PikChr Well just in case; here's a list of difference between Git vs Fossil & guess what!! they even have a hosting service called CHISEL

Listen; Just check it out & use it for fun in your spare time even with the flaws it has (& Try out Darcs & Pijul as well)

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (12 children)

Fossil is more like a Jira replacement, and its built by one person with a severe case of NIH. Not necessarily a bad thing but I lived through it with Ubuntu, not really a fan of this philosophy.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Learned fossil in college and I intensely disliked it

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
  • open-source
  • Ticketing
  • Cathedral-style coding isn't very Open-Source, if you believe the man who wrote the book and coined the term.
  • it's okay to post your own words instead of drunkenly jamming HTML into Markdown.
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

I love Fossil and use it for all my personal projects! I use syncthing to keep my all my repositories updated across devices and it works great!

I do wish I better understood either self-hosting or that there were more web hosts though, it would make collaboration easier when I feel like sharing. A git(hub) bridge could do it too I guess...

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I really like the idea of using a relation db to track change history. It removes so much weirdness and quirkiness that git has. You just have regular SQL queries you can use to go through history and ask questions about the state of the repo. I also like that it's immutable so you don't have to worry about things like rebasing and other ways you can fuck up history in git. The problems solved by mucking with history largely go away when you can query the db with a rich syntax.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 weeks ago (23 children)

What about git needs replacement?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

Git is far from user friendly but that's a design consideration from a decentralized architecture. Fossil will have the same considerations. People need to learn how to use Git.

The problem is there's only one person who really knows how to use it: Linus.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago

Something new is new, and apparently that's all tha-- SQUIRREL!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

Seems like a historic artefact to me as well. And one of their mentioned points was "no sync via http" which even for 2006 makes me... hesitant.

And their history section ends in 2007, couldn't find a feature comparison in their quick start guide.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Spent 5 minutes on the website and couldn't get a peek at their code... The most fundamental thing, IMO.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Look at the bottom

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

fossil is made by the sqlite devs, for development of sqlite. this is not some amateur operation.

also, it's by the sqlite people, so expect the code to be... odd.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

& The code behind Linux isn't ? People back then did some REAL sorcery with coding

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

back then? both codebases are fully modern. its more that sqlite uses a style that differs from the accepted norm quite a bit. that, and they don't accept contributions.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

it's not the most intuitive interface but there you go: https://fossil-scm.org/home/tree?name=src

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Wow C, CSS and JS files at the same level. You don't see this every day

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I support reconsidering Git VCS hegemony. Darcs & Pijul too for DVCS.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Darcs does not require a central server, and works perfectly in offline mode.

Git can be used that way too. Am I missing something?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago

No, you are not. People regularly equate Git and GitHub, though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

no, this is exactly what git does

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Since jujutsu is Git-compatible it has very much replaced Git for me and is what I'm using for everything now. Its workflow is so good and miles ahead of Git.

I was trying out Pijul for a while before that and while it has a lot of great ideas and has a lot of potential due to the way its foundations work its interface is way too janky right now and missing features and nothing I've reported or the many changes I've submitted have been fixed/pulled since March. I'd really like it to be good but alas...

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