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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

As a resident of a politically indifferent instance that is on good terms with everyone, I can say one thing:

Fuck absolutely everyone who turns Lemmy into yet another Internet battlefield.

Leave .ml alone. Leave Hexbear alone. Even yes - leave Lemmygrad alone. People there will not change their opinion when facing hatred, and newbies coming there doesn't change the big picture, as Lemmy is federated and they can figure stuff out for themselves.

Trying to silence entire instances, especially the biggest ones, is absolutely not a welcoming picture to whoever's coming here, and being cut out and filtered for happening to choose the "wrong" instance is the worst possible greeting.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My instance has communities dedicated to this shit.

Some of your more vocal voices in this crusade against .ml tend to be pretty active in drone kill footage communities.

Having someone who actively supports Israeli operations in Gaza browbeat others about comments on Uyghurs is just a context to get used to.

It gets pretty easy to ignore once you see a full cycle of it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The zionists here, too? I used reddit for over a decade and left because of how awful zionists barrage reddit into a propogandist cesspit. And yes screw anyone who makes lemmy a battleground like reddit

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I was on ml and it was pretty chill for a non-tankie. Until a mod powertripped and ban me for insulting an homophobe. Some people like me join the instance without knowing of all this tankie thing. IMO, hexbear is far more toxic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (22 children)

The only bans I saw on your account were for being needlessly hostile- and they look like they all were extremely short.

Re: the homophobic comments, in your posts that got removed you were hostile for what looks to me like your misinterpreting a bad attempt at a bad joke (not even from .ml user, but .ee), though you didn't tell them to kys that time at least. You then went through the their profile responding to months old posts to try to continue things, again being needlessly hostile- if I had to venture a guess that was more of the reason for your ban 5 months ago. Plenty of other instances will also temp ban for behavior like that.

and then 8 months ago you dropped this gem: CW self harm, transphobia

spoiler

The accusations of toxicity seem to be projection.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

IMO, hexbear is far more toxic.

That's not an opinion, it's a fact. .ml is mostly OK 75% of the times. Hexbear is a cesspool always

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Oh no

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I am .NL not .ML please don't hate on me dyslexic lemmys

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

All tankie users are in .ml, but not all .ml users are tankies.

You should always judge the merit of the comment, not whether or not the person is from .ml. If you see a comment that is pro-CCP or pro-Kremlin from an .ml user, then the point of the meme is valid. But a well-thought, benign, good-faith or wholesome comment from an .ml user should not be dismissed.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Except the pro-Russians won't say they're pro-Russians.

A lot of Russian propaganda is just sowing FUD.

Here's a tangentially related comic, as I just read the latter bit of your comment in that tone, (not saying you're guilty of the same things.)

Basically, because being directly pro-Russia is so see-through, a lot of bad actors merely sow FUD. For one check [email protected] if you want an example. A very polite person who lists links and sources (firehose of falsehood is also a soviet strategy btw).

Dude pretends to be American, talks American politics, but always in line with Russian propaganda, while saying things like "reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias" and absolutely refusing to address whether he is pro-Russian or not, despite very clearly having talking points which show he is strongly pro-Russian.

So either he's an American who fucking loves Soviet culture and larps being Russian, is actively against Ukraine and believes Russia was eight to invade it, so the least patriotic American to ever exist.

OR... (and I believe this to be a tad more likely) he's actually a lying Russian.

But Russians aren't known for disinformation and lies, right? Right....?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not everyone in a nazi bar is a nazi. Let's hear them out and give them the benefit of the doubt even though they could go to literally any bar, but keep going to the nazi bar

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

When choosing an instance, it is not necessarily overtly advertised as such. It's just one of the largest instances, so many "regular" people are obviously going to pick it. New users are not going to be intimately familiar with the elaborate politics of federated Lemmy servers upon first arrival. It would be a bit bizarre to expect them to be.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Sure, and anyone can walk into a nazi bar. But with threads like this being fairly common, and ML people behaving as they do, you have every chance to realise pretty quickly and leave

Hell, ML people are bad enough that I imagine a lot of sane people leave lemmy entirely, if they pick an instance that hasn't defederated ML yet. I'm looking at alternatives myself as getting associated with these types of people isn't a great idea, and the lemmy developers are part of the problem

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I mean I just never ended up subscribing to political communities, so I never see any political related things anyway. If you only subscribe to meme and lighthearted communities, you're not likely to run into that stuff. Your comparison of it being a "Nazi bar" doesn't work. I've never been someone who browsed the "all" category of Reddit, and I've not been inclined to do that here on Lemmy, either. So no, you often won't see that sort of thing unless you're browsing by all communities.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I used to be on ml when I first joined lemmy because I did know better, now I love my instance.