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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

An evergreen bell hooks quote:

The first act of violence that patriarchy demands of males is not violence toward women. Instead patriarchy demands of all males that they engage in acts of psychic self-mutilation, that they kill off the emotional parts of themselves. If an individual is not successful in emotionally crippling himself, he can count on patriarchal men to enact rituals of power that will assault his self-esteem.

For any men near the beginning of their journey to adopt of a more healthy masculinity, The Will To Change by bell hooks is an excellent read

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (13 children)

If anyone's interested in reading through it with others, we have a book club going for this book right now! It's a fantastic read so far and we just started!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

A long-term study in the US involving around 10,000 young men has already shown that they are more likely to commit suicide over a period of 20 years if they identify strongly with traditional masculine roles. These norms are characterized by ideas that originated from the previously strongly patriarchal social framework. They prescribe the characteristics that men should have and how they should behave. These include, for example, independence, controlling their emotions and not showing their vulnerability. In science, this is summarized under the term traditional masculine ideologies.

Toxic Masculinity is very real.

frothingfash up-yours-woke-moralists

The Woke is trying to prevent REAL men from exercising their right to unalive themselves!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'd be interested to see what the rates of suicidal ideation are compared between men who do and don't conform to traditional gender roles. Because there are a lot of contributing factors I can think of off the top of my head, like men who don't conform as strictly to traditional gender norms are probably more likely to go see a therapist, so they are more likely to see a way out of their situation that doesn't involve suicide. Also, men who more strictly conform to traditional gender norms probably are more likely to have guns in the home, and (as other studies have shown) men tend to prefer suicide by gun over pills/meds/other methods, so I'm curious if that has an impact as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Anecdotally I am both of those. I grew up in a deep south military family, and I used to have a sidearm that I assigned way more of my identity to than I should have and thought about using on myself more than i ever thought about using in any other way. I didn't try therapy for the first time until my 30s, after I quit working for the airforce. Telling a man he needed therapy where I used to work was an insult no matter the context, and it was an open secret that you'd get fired if you sought any kind of mental healthcare. (not directly, but some security manager somewhere in the system would revoke your clearances and it would domino from there)

I'm still amazed I made it through that; it feels like almost every week I'm still blown away by how much different the world can be when it isn't just a deluge of bigotry and hatred and doomsday weapons. If you can help it, don't ever fucking make weapons. No matter how much they offer to pay you or pretend you're a hero. It's not worth your will to live

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Okay good, thank you. I couldn't find any info in the originally linked article.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

it's stressful, spending a lifetime pretending to not be as sensitive as a de-scrotum'd testicle

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

So your response to an article about how men don't talk about their feelings is "Ha Ha men are just sensitive snowflakes"?

I wonder why men don't talk about their feelings more 🤔🤔

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Hey, I think some nuance was lost over the imperfect medium of text. Here's what OP is getting at—when someone ignores their emotions, they don't just go away. Emotions are just signals from the body about what is good for it and what is bad for it. Emotions are the body telling someone what it needs. If emotions are ignored, then the body isn't getting what it needs, so it sends stronger signals. When I don't eat, I get hungrier (until I start starving and my body begins eating itself, anyways). When I don't tend to an injury, it hurts more. When I'm resentful and I don't do anything about my feelings of resentment, those feelings grow in strength and force.

Any person who has been told by society that they should disregard their emotions will have a body which is screaming its discontent at them. I'm a man and I was raised to hide and repress my feelings (although I was never really into extreme toxic masculinity). It was fucking agonizing, and I became so, so sensitive to things. It took years of therapy for me to learn that the body keeps the score and that I had to feel and express my feelings, just like I had to eat or bandage a cut.

Anyone who has suffered from emotional self-neglect will be sensitive. Western society pushes men to neglect themselves, so those men will be sensitive. That's all OP meant. Men who accept their emotions for what they are and tend to them will be much less sensitive and will almost certainly be happier people.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

do you always just make up completely different meanings for the things you read? or only when it's something about men being sensitive and trying to pretend not to be?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Maybe I’m just slow, but I don’t get the gist of your remark. You taking a jab at men denying their sensitivity or at men being too sensitive? The two things are sometimes two sides of the same coin I guess.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Or they take their role as provider more seriously and when they fail, they do what they see as only way out...

But sure... It is about being "sensentive" 🤡

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're part of the problem.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

is suicide really the right topic to unfold politics?

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