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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

The price is right for sure, but it's still sad they didn't shoot for wifi 7. It was a pretty big leap in latency reduction.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Isn't RAM like the biggest bottleneck in routers causing bufferblaot and packet loss?

How does the article not mention how much RAM this device has?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Packet loss occurs when a router has to drop some packets because the buffer to store them is running out because the link where they are supposed to go is overloaded.

Bufferbloat is the issue where you make your queues too deep, i.e. you allocate too much RAM to buffering, while the cause of the buffering still exists, so the deeper queue just fills up anyway, so you haven't improved anything, and have induced extra latency on the packets that do make it trough.

Deep buffers can help in situations where you have a step down in link speed, but only bursty and not sustained overloading of the slower output link.

The big bottleneck in router hardware is more about TCAM or HBM memory used to store the FIB of the global routing table. Since the table has grown so much the devices with less high speed memory can't hold the table anymore, and if they start swapping the FIB to normal memory your routing performance goes to shit.

So not all of your concerns seem to apply to this class of device, but of course you're right, The Register should have mentioned the RAM.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I need this router.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I need this but 4G version..

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

GL.inet has some LTE routers with OpenWRT on them. I haven't tried the LTE version, and the one (Shadow) I have has to be rebooted once a week, but that's a really cheap one I was trying.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm glad it's open hardware as much as open software, but I think I'll wait to see what the OpenWrt Two looks like.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I'm fine with the looks and hardware, except I'm not upgrading again for a wifi 6 router. I'll wait till they make a 7. 7 has a couple pretty big improvements over 6.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Somewhat of a pyrrhic victory.

The hardware itself is kinda ass for most use cases. Missing wifi7 as well.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Is it available only though aliexpress?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (5 children)

So, how is this any better than the Router Mini PCs you can find in Aliexpress (random example)?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's Open source hardware too

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Whilst that's a nice slogan, in Electronics "open source" doesn't mean anywhere as much as it does in Software because it's generally just knowing which components go into the circuit, which is but a fraction of the work (laying out the board is a massive chunk of work, in some cases most of it, and at high enough clock speeds circuit design is an art in itself).

Mind you, I like the Orange Pi and Banana Pi guys, and the idea of an SBC designed for being an open source router is pretty appealing, though nowadays maybe pfSense would be a better choice than OpenWrt.

Finally this thing having only 2 ethernet ports + WiFi makes it little more than a regular $70+ SBC board + a box - something easy enough to put together by any technically inclined person - which isn't exactly exciting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

pfSense would be a better choice than OpenWrt

I heard pfSense had a hard time with wireless radios, and that's where OpenWrt shines comparably. Is that not true?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Yes, FreeBSD doesn't handle many wireless cards. Same applies to OPNsense, my preferred version.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Open hardware (by oshwa definition) would include the board layout

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Well it's cheaper, so I'm not sure it's going for "better".

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Most of those run OpenWrt or PfSense. Assuming the hardware is well-supported by the open source software it runs, there's a argument to be made that there's no difference. There's always the risk of them using some weird chipset that won't be supported in a year's time. The only difference is that the OpenWrt One is specifically designed for OpenWrt with well-supported hardware.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

how good is openwrt these days? i used it a long time ago on tp link hardware are remember it was not too good...like adding own scripts, addons etc. and then i tried stuff like ipfire,ipcop and pfsense. pfsense was so much better and now opensense is quite good. how does current openwrt compare?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I’ve been using it on my last 2 routers, currently the Netgear WAX206 and I’m loving it.

It does what it’s supposed to. No complaints.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Turris Omnia & OpenWRT-ONE I wish we had this in Asia

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are you suggesting that AliExpress doesn't ship to Asia?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I'm not sure why I would get this openwrt one i stead of one from Turris

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

What's the point of having 1G on WAN and 2.5G on LAN? Traffic won't hit the LAN port until it's routed to the Internet, yet the WAN port is the bottleneck.

Edit: Seems like I switch up the port speed but my point still holds as the bittleneck still exist.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

The LAN and WAN ports aren't labelled as such on the device and can be configured to do anything. The 2.5Gb port can also be used to take in PoE so for a lot of people - myself included - this will be the only port that's actually used, or at least the port that will be used the heaviest. The reason, I think, that it's configured as WAN by default is so that the LAN port can be used to plug a laptop in directly without disconnecting the whole network.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

This person knows openwrt haha.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Does it have enough power to handle routing (not just switching) 2.5Gb + 2.5Gb + whatever the WiFi can support? My guess is it cannot and it would have pushed the price up signifcantly to do so.

Does seem counter intuitive to me as this is squarely aimed at enthusiasts who would like to min max their home network.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Local NAS, local security cameras, in-house streaming, LAN multiplayer, local torrent-like data sharing (FYI, Windows Update and more uses the local network to share update between computers by default, so it gets downloaded once and then shared internally)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Could it help with internal tasks, like self-hosted services or a business that transfers files around a lot?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

It's default 2.5G WAN and 1G LAN. It also has wifi to use some of that bandwidth.

https://openwrt.org/toh/openwrt/one

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Tranfering between devices on the LAN.

Edit: Wait, no, it's the other way around. 2.5 on WAN, and just a single 1GB LAN port. That absolutely doesn't make sense.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

This is a common setup for WiFi routers, where the idea is that most traffic will be on WiFi.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe it can be used as a router on a stick.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Of course, I just bought a new router, your all welcome

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thank you for your sacrifice.

Which router did you go for, by the way?

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