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Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this - gonna try posting last week's thread a different way this time)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Sometimes I browse Japanese news aggregators because trash is interesting to read from a different cultural perspective. This very short article caught my attention, it's in Japanese only but the automatic translation gives you the gist of the absurdity.

家族型AIロボットは令和の「仏壇」か 人の思い受け止める存在「不要なこと言わないのがいい」 - Is a family-type AI robot the "Buddhist altar" of the Reiwa era? It will accept people's thoughts: "It's better not to say unnecessary things"

小坂興道住職(48)は法話で、人が心を預けられる身近な存在として仏をあげ、「私たちはこれまでも自宅で仏壇に今日あったことを話しかけるなどしてきた」と説明。その上で「生身の人間は思った反応を返してくれなかったり、不要なことを言ったりするが、ロボットはしないのがいい」と指摘した。理事を務めるNPO法人「京都自死・自殺相談センターSotto」の活動を踏まえ、「死にたいという相談に誰もが対応できるわけではないが、ロボットは何を言っても受け止められる」と語りかけた。

In his sermon, the head priest Kodo Okimichi (48) spoke of Buddha as a familiar presence that people can entrust their hearts to, explaining, "We've always talked to a Buddhist altar at home about what happened today." Furthermore, "A living human being may not respond in the way you expect, or may say unnecessary things, but a robot shouldn't do that." Referring to the activities of the NPO "Kyoto Suicide Counseling Center Sotto," of which he serves as a director, he said, "Not everyone can respond to consultations about wanting to die, but a robot can accept anything you say."

Extra context: Japan uses emperor reign for years, Reiwa is the current era. The article is clearly an ad for "LOVOT", but the whole religious angle is certainly something. The New LOVOT 3.0 is around US $3850 for the cheapest model and $65 per month minimum subscription cost, at current exchange rates.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not everyone can respond to consultations about wanting to die, but a robot can accept anything you say.

I didn't really understand just how absurd this is before looking up the robot.

It is essentially Furby on wheels. It has extremely slick marketing, makes weird cooing sounds, has a weird camera sprouting out of it's head like a fungus, has big LED eyes, scoots around randomly, ~~stores your face on the cloud~~ "remembers up to 1000 people", and you can (as the kids say) boop the snoot. That's about it.

I'm trying to imagine someone going "Lovot, sometimes I don't want to go on. I'm sorry I didn't mean that. Thank you for always listening" and it being all "coo chirp gigigi tweeeee" while wiggling it's stupid little Lovot arms... and I just can't.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

A two-part lecture and discussion series that may be of interest to techsneerers:

Reimagining Space: Against Settler Colonial Space Futures

This workshop is a two-part lecture and discussion series addressing urgent issues in space and how they relate to Earth. What does ethics mean in the context of space? Is it possible to explore space ethically? How do military interests drive Mars exploration? Led by multi-disciplinary researchers and organizers Dr. C. Adeene Denton and Dr. Divya M. Persaud, this series will provide an overview of how space is grounded in real-world oppression, colonialism, and genocide and a chance to discuss together how this could be changed.

Runs on January 11th and 12th.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sundar Pichai says Google Search will ‘enshittify profoundly’ in 2025 [paraphrasing]

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

We will say absolutely nothing about what kind of changes we mean, and the reporting of these comments won't even speculate, much less ask. But you should definitely buy our stock now in anticipation.

What does Jerry at Android Trends think Pichai's job is if not making number go up? Trying to act like there's any substance here is laughable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

also, tech billionaires terrified of a peasant uprising can turn their homes into fucking military bases with a home security system named (of course) Sauron

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

LOTR fans stay losing

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Ah Lyta Gold, one of the enjoyable writers from current affairs before Nathan went all "call an ambulance! I think I'm having a moment of class consciousness! But just for me!" Starts firing everybody. And I realized that vague socialist left libertarians suck. (In a just world he would languish alone on his site, with only the email replies he gets from Noam Chomsky to keep him warm. But it isn't a just world, so he just replaced his writers, like a proper capitalist owner).

But turns out Gold (I had lost sight of her) has a book "Dangerous Fictions: The Fear of Fantasy and the Invention of Reality" out which might be relevant to us. And she also blogs on substack, with relevant to out interest posts like "what ever happened to right-wing art?" (Moldbug mentioned, drink!), and a look at conservative masculinity "What if we treated men like adults?".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

It's never wrong to gatekeep fascists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Fuckers like Thiel make me want to start stuffing guys who take too much interest in speculative fiction into lockers again, just to be safe. And I was that kid, right down to the STEM focus and disrespect for the liberal arts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

404media:

In the aftermath of an LGBT hate incident, the then-CEO of cloud computing giant Digital Ocean told upset staff his mentor was a member of the KKK as an attempt to explain why they must bend their values because "we love the company"

presented without comment

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Asking employees to "bend" their perfectly sensible values like "I don't like homophobes" or "members of the KKK suck" is insane to me, but exactly the sort of thing a tech CEO would think would resonate with his workers.

I stay at my job not because I have molded my soul into a perfect vessel for my companies values (which, TBH, kind of suck), but because I have a mortgage payment.

(Also as the header graphic points out, "love is at our core" and "inclusive environment" are apparently some of their values so maybe it's Digital Ocean which needs to bend to Digital Ocean's values).

At least there's a happy ending:

A month after the all-hands meeting, in August 2023, DigitalOcean announced that it was conducting a search for a new CEO, but did not say why.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

It somehow gets worse. These people think values are interchangeable with value.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not super familiar with Lobsters but I love how they represent bans: https://lobste.rs/~SuddenBraveblock

  • Joined: 5 years ago
  • ✧∘* 🌈"""Left"""🦄✧・゚: 3 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

@hrrrngh @gerikson Pretty sure that's that person deleting their account and not a ban, bans look a bit different (e.g. https://lobste.rs//~AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, the person briefly changed their username and then left the site (disowning their comments). There are 2 people with "inactive-user" comments in the thread that simply flounced off to greener pastures.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

An update, a user stated, "with all love and respect": "people will not starting hating Brave but they will start to hate the mod who blocked Brave".

2 hours later they'd removed their account.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Older article, but relevant in light of current events:

UnitedHealth uses faulty AI to deny elderly patients medically necessary coverage, lawsuit claims

I wonder if we'll see a new edition of the Shinzo Abe Effect.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Insurance companies have played doctor for far too long in the US. It's so gross.

I don't think private insurance should be necessary at all, but given that they exist they should be much more regulated. The doctor, not the insurance, should decide what conditions a patient has and what care is necessary; then if the insurance had said they cover it they should have to pay up without arguing.

Like here in the lawsuit they said an old guy in the last year of his life who had muscle atrophy after breaking a leg, and had just started PT, should go home. Despite the doctor saying "shit's weak and paralyzed yo":

Defendants explained that there were no acute medical issues because the patient was self-feeding and required minimal help for hygiene and grooming. This determination went against the physical therapist’s recommendation and notes describing Mr. Lokken muscle functions as paralyzed and weak.

As if people are just hanging out in hospice care for fun or something! When I was in the hospital with pancreatitis I was about ready to start flipping tables by the end I wanted to go home so bad.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Also:

Mr. Tetzloff contacted Defendants to inquire about the reason for denying his claim. Defendant refused to provide any reason, stating that it is confidential.

wtf?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hi, I'm new here. I mean, I've been reading but I haven't commented before.

I'm sure you all know about how cheap labour is used for labelling data for training "AI" systems, but I just came across this video and wanted to share. Apologies if it has already been posted: Training AI takes heavy toll on Kenyans working for $2 an hour.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Welcome! The situation these people find themselves in is dire, since they're both literally and emotionally as far as possible from the people making decisions about their labor. The modern economy doesn't function without exploitation, and generative AI is the latest innovation in expanding that exploitation and pushing it farther away from the people who benefit and who make the decisions that require it. It does to modern knowledge workers what automation and outsourcing did to manufacturing, and the distance is sufficient that I don't expect to see even the kind of lukewarm pushback that sweatshops got in the 90s actually manifest for them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

SALAMI dorks make the same stupid argument as bitcoin dorks:

  1. this shit is amazing look
  2. ok it's not amazing YET but it will be soon
  3. ok but think about how long it took for [immediately, obviously useful invention] to become [what that invention is today]
  4. ur a luddite

and yet people are still falling for it a year after SBF, the fucking poster boy for cryptocurrency, was convicted of being a fraudster.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My hands are requesting the CEO's home address (in ~~Minecraft~~ real life):

Quick bonus I found in the replies:

And a quick sidenote from me:

This is sorta repeating a previous prediction of mine, but I expect this AI bubble's gonna utterly tank the public image of tech as a whole. When you develop a tech whose primary use case boils down to "make the world worse so the line can go up", its gonna be virtually impossible for the public to forgive you.

Being more specific, I expect artists/musicians/creatives in general to be utterly hostile to AI, if not tech as a whole - AI has made their lives significantly harder in a variety of ways, and all signs pointing to the tech industry having done so willingly.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

in real life

Careful not to post things that could get you into trouble with a judge without a sense of humor, or just cops/secret service. Wouldn't be the first time I hear of a home visit because the cops got confused at a joke.

Esp if it turns out the conspiracy theory about the murder being crypto related and they confuse this place for being a pro cryptocurrency place.

E: on topic just not LLMs and artists but also the idea that Musk got Trump elected will cause a backlash. (Which I find dubious, more despite the man, they made the election be about a gay onlyfans support squirrel ffs)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

5-10 years ago I'd say OP's comment is definitely protected under the First Amendment (assuming US based) but now who the fuck knows what those turdwagons on the bench will come up with to dismantle it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Sure, but that step comes after the cops lift you out of your bed. And you get a good lawyer etc etc. Nobody was charged after the home visit but it still was a home visit, granted that was in .nl so less risk of being shot or getting your stuff stolen. And that is assuming the law still works.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

for a post from an AI company this is surprisingly honest about the general helplessness in defeating so called hallucinations

https://www.kapa.ai/blog/ai-hallucination

probably a good sign for even boosters to be talking this way

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The first half was OK, but then they cited this paper.

LLMs encode much more information about truthfulness than previously recognized. We first discover that the truthfulness information is concentrated in specific tokens, and leveraging this property significantly enhances error detection performance. Yet, we show that such error detectors fail to generalize across datasets, implying that—contrary to prior claims—truthfulness encoding is not universal but rather multifaceted.

I haven't read the paper, and probably won't, but what the shit is this?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

tired: checking incoming packets for the evil bit

wired: checking LLM outputs for the truthfulness bit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

gave it a quick skim. I lack any relevant background. the bit they push most seems to be that you can improve the performance of error detection tools by determining the most important tokens in an answer and running your tools on the tokens near those. this seems to be instead of taking absurdly naive approaches like averaging the tokens (???) or just looking at the last token of the response (????).

what are the most important tokens? they're the ones that change the factuality of the answer if you change them. how do you determine that? you don't, lmao. you just ask an LLM what the most important words are

what are the error detection tools? you will never guess

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It turns out if you can just make the machine know what the truth is and say that you don't get hallucinations. Unfortunately the truth isn't emergent from pure language models and expressing Truth through language alone has been something challenging the human race since Krog try to teach Torg how make stick but pointy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Derrida look intensifies

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