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No Stupid Questions

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This community is bizarre and probably the most genuine one I've stumbled upon. How do I consistently get more comments then updoots here?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Theoretically, yes. In practice, no. Suppose bla becomes a everything word. If anyone asks what bla means, you say it means bla. The other person won't understand, you persist on bla bla bla meaning bla means bla, by which bla can mean anything and you realize that it just doesn't work, because if it "means anything", in reality it means nothing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Yes yes, yes yes yes. Yes, yes yes yes yes, yes yes yes!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You seem to be looking for the word fuck.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

The simple answer to your question is no. Language is as much about distinction and exclusion as it is about description. The word "circle" stands for the description and properties of the circle, but would be incoherent if it did not also exclude straight lines.

You can often find examples where some things are considered premium or desirable not for the properties is has, but for what it lacks. Just think of all the products marketed to not have something like BPA, fat, sugar, Carbs, gluten, asbestos, lead, and even cruelty.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah here and AskLemmy get so many replies I’ve sadly had to abandon a few posts due to the sheer number of replies. I really like to reply to everybody that takes the time to comment but in swear I’ve had posts with 400+ comments and I feel overwhelmed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Im just glad I really didn't need an answer for this one and have just been enjoying reading the replies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

There's a sci-fi horror story in there somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Let me introduce you to Goptjaam, probably the closest "language" that fits what you mean: https://youtu.be/ze5i_e_ryTk

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Professional academic linguist here. (Yes, that's a thing.)

Words have the meanings that communities apply to them. There is no governing body over word meanings. There can be a tension (e.g. two groups using the same term in different ways), but that doesn't really mean that the word means both. Words mean different things to different groups. It has to be this way, for epistemic and pragmatic reasons.

In that sense, meanings are not consciously assigned. So the answer to your original question could be "no".

But in another sense, all meanings are possible for any given meaningful sequence around the world. Which means, in principle, given infinite communities of practice, a word could have infinite meanings. A stretch, of course.

Edit:

There is no governing body over word meanings

I'm speaking here in terms of global English. There are some languages that have governing bodies, or at least bodies that claim to be governing bodies, like French with the Académie Française. But this is not at all the norm.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Professional academic linguist

🧐

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It means I'm not a translator and I don't work on one particular language (which is typically termed as an academic linguist), but I'm also based in industry.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Or, to put it another way, (unprofessional academic linguist here), a word has meanings by what you mean by it, and what the listener understands it to mean.

In a sense, it can mean anything you want it to. In another sense, it can mean anything the listener/reader interprets it as. Most useful though is when you mean the same meaning that the listener understands.

And for "accepted/official meaning", that's just a community all agreeing on a meaning. Optionally with a recognised group (e.g. dictionary writer) affirming certain meanings as accepted in the community.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I think you're getting at intended meaning versus received meaning. Which is totally a thing, but intended meaning is far less well understood than accepted meaning (not necessarily at the word level, but definitely at the sentence level).

At the sentence level, companies pay big money to have tens of thousands of sentences manually annotated for intended meaning (to try and train AI to be able to discern it automatically).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

ACK! ACK ACK ACK ACK. ACK ACK.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

He comes in peace!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

My squantch in squantch you can't squantch that in public.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Came here looking for this

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's a sci-fi movie from USSR, "Kin-dza-dza". The natives of another planet in another galaxy were telepathes, but used language consisting of only a few words. "Koo" was for almost any word, "kiu" for swearing, "ketse" for matches (most valuable asset) and a few more. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin-dza-dza!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I am Groot.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Mother fuck.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

sounds skibidi

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