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Now that everybody has digested somewhat their voting trauma, it is time to reopen the wounds. ๐Ÿ˜ฑ

The voting procedure for the BVWSC consisted up to now in me simply winging it, but last month, I didn't wing it correctly, and dukkha ensued. First, I got trigger happy and announced a winner when some important members (ahem @[email protected] ahem) had not yet voted. In order to prevent this from ever happening again, what I would like to propose is that we formalize a bit more the process, in the sense that there should be some fixed amount of time (48 hours?) for each of the soap nomination thread and the voting thread, and that a winner can be announced only after this time.

Second, there is potentially an issue with the voting procedure and count. What I have done so far is to allot a number of points which is inverse to the rank you proposed. That is, assuming three proposed soaps, the soap ranked first gets 3 points, the soap ranked 2nd get 2 points, and the soap ranked 3rd gets 1 point. Then, I simply add up these points, and announce the winner. This is similar to a Borda count (which I didn't know, but you can read up here and more in detail here. Borda counts are unproblematic as long as every voter ranks every soap - which has not been the case in the last vote, and which may have cost Westman Shaving's Noir the victory. @[email protected] suggested that someone who did not rank all soaps should be counted as attributing some points to the soaps he did not vote for. That is, assuming our example with 3 soaps, someone who ranked only one soap (which therefore gets 3 points) should also be counted as attributing in the end some points to the other two soaps. I see Dave's point, and am sympathetic to it, but I don't know exactly what would be the best formula.

The easiest method in that spirit would be that the unranked soaps get to share the points that could have been, but have not been, attributed (which would make 1.5 points for each remaining soap - which could also be rounded down to 1 point?). Alternatively, we could also require that any voter provide a full ranking. Any opinion on these proposals, or idea or other proposals how to better implement something similar, but better?

I don't have any intrinsic preference, other than I would like to have a method that can be easily implemented in a spreadsheet (by me, without much knowledge of spreadsheets).

Thank you in advance for your input, and if you have any other complaints/proposals/questions about the process or BVWSC more in general, please feel free to do so.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 49 minutes ago

I have no opinions, but we could look into using something like this for voting: https://rankedchoices.com/

We can even self host it - https://github.com/davidmoritz/rcv

It requires that everyone (who votes) ranks everything due to the drag-and-drop nature of it.

Here's a little test I made https://rankedchoices.com/vote#fx8h

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Thanks for the thread! Now to elaborate on my points so other members of BVWSC can weigh in:

  1. I completely agree with an 48 hour/2 day limit for both soap nomination and soap voting. Additionally, I'd propose a limit of one soap nomination per member. We'll usually get more than 3, since we're more than 3 members and usually at least 4 suggest a soap
  2. As for the voting process, we could do something akin to strongman sport: the first 3 places get 2 points and everyone else gets your ranked inverse voting - e.g., 10 soaps in total; 1st gets 10 points, 2nd 8 points, 3rd 6 points; 4th 5 pts, 5th 4 pts and so on.
  3. Everyone who only bothers to rate their top 3 - which should be mandatory IMHO, at least 3 votes or your vote doesn't count - should be assumed to just give every other soap an amount of token points of 2 (1 could also work if we ever have fewer than 5 nominations)

Basically I am for a bare minimum amount of rules to ensure a smooth operation. We should also see it as somewhat of a gentlemen's codex to remind everyone to vote in the 48 hour window. I truly enjoy BVWSC and it's great to see that we could get a few new members introduced; let's make sure everyone can enjoy it equally! โœŒ๐Ÿป