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[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 hours ago

So, Peter at the gates comes from a more or less literal interpretation from the passage where Jesus was making Peter the first pope. “To you I hand the keys to the kingdom of heaven….”

What Jesus was saying is that Peter got to decide who was in the Blood Ritual Cannibal Club,

Keep in mind, the books were written well after Jesus died, and the scriptures weren’t canonized until 300 years later; at the council of Nicaea- which was called specifically to “unify” the church. A lot of the choices about what was canon or not was specifically made to protect the bulk of the bishop’s authority (by drawing a straight lineage of succession from Peter.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

this is my favorite explanation, by Leslie mann, of the role of St. Peter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqwgEk_zPZI&t=07

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

lol. The OG Bible, you mean The Torah, Jesus isn't even in that one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

Although some would argue there's a lot of foreshadowing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Most Christian think of it like a cartoon. At least from what I can tell. Nobody actually seems to believe Peter is at the gates, but it is sometimes fun/useful to pretend that is what happens instead of trying to figure out what the judgement day really means (we often think of that like a court room with God as the judge and jury, but the scripture is not clear and so it isn't really any more correct that Peter at the gates)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Can't speak for Catholics but most reformed protestants (evangelicals) will be being taught their sins are already washed away and any judgement for the 'saved' after death is only about their quality of walk with god and quality of reward in heaven, it's not a heaven/hell judgment. That's only for the 'unsaved'.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

Fascinating. Classism, in heaven. Work yourself to death so that you can enjoy a better neighbourhood of heaven than your neighbour.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Mormons have three tiers of heaven. According to some, even Hitler would make it into the lowest tier. I'm not sure what you'd have to do to actually go to hell, which is supposedly just lonely infinite darkness away from the presence of God.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago

hell, which is supposedly just lonely infinite darkness away from the presence of God

So, "days ending in a Y"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

"But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first."

However it's obtained it's something very hard for the well resourced and powerful to do. Jesus anticipated it's the "very least" in this life who have the capacity to be recognised as "first" in the Kingdom.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Aren't you staying dead for millenia until the second comming and the judgement day ? To my understanding the reason why Christian burry their dead rather than burning them is that they need to resurrect on jugement day

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

There was a time, not that long ago, when cremation was not an option for Catholics. At some point, the church changed its mind. Maybe in the seventies or eighties?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

That's very interesting. I've never heard about that. I'll take a dig sometime soon. An example of dogma changing to suit practical needs. Would be good to know the conditions that are necessary for that to happen.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

No, not at all. God does the judging.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Matthew 19:28

Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

[end quote]

Whether "12 tribes of Israel" here is figurative of the global church or not, there still definitely some role in judgement delegated out to the apostles.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Interesting

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Even "the bible" isn't "the bible".

"Protestant Bibles have only 39 books in the Old Testament, however, while Catholic Bibles have 46." source

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Neither of these mention St Peter at the pearly gates, though. The biggest addition the Apocrypha makes is a record of someone praying for the dead. Protestants generally still do recognise the Apocrypha, but just as historical records and not authoritative, hence not a part of the Bible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

In Matthew 16 Jesus gives Peter the "keys to the kingdom" and in Revelation the new Jerusalem has pearls for gates. That's where it comes from.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

The pearly gates are biblical. I think the keys are taken a bit literally. But that's interesting to think about, actually

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