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Rafael Grossi, head of the IAEA, called Germany's decision to fully phase out nuclear power "illogical," noting it is the only country to have done so.

Despite the completed phase-out in 2023, there is renewed debate in Germany about reviving nuclear energy due to its low greenhouse gas emissions.

Speaking at COP29, Grossi described reconsidering nuclear as a "rational" choice, especially given global interest in nuclear for emissions reduction.

Germany’s phase-out, driven by environmental concerns and past nuclear disasters, has been criticized for increasing reliance on Russian gas and missing carbon reduction opportunities.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Never understood what kind of an idiot you have to be to choose coal over nuclear. Absolutely bonkers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

We didn't. We chose renewables over nuclear.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

You tried, but it didn't work out as expected.

Also, on a side note, with nuclear you could export energy to other countries so that they don't need to rely on coal gas & oil so much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 47 minutes ago

It actually worked better than expected. It’s simply a long process.

Snd until we have a good, permanent solution where to store nuclear waste that won’t be an issue for hundreds of future generations, it’s simply irresponsible to air for nuclear instead of renewables

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 hours ago

Germany wanted to replace nuclear with renewables. This "replace with coal" bs is straight up misinformation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Such an attitude afflicts Australia too. We could have close to unlimited free energy, but instead choose to build more Coal since 'Nuclear Bad' and 'Nuclear too much money' (despite the same people decrying the idea of 'too much money' being applied to anything else)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

Hmmmm, I don’t think nuclear makes much sense in Australia when we have an abundance of renewable resources available to us. Nuclear energy has never been known to be cheap and rapidly deployable. If we were going to go down the road of nuclear power we will have to start from the ground up given our utter lack of nuclear energy industry. This would take so much time and money. Why do that when we have sun baked deserts, are girt by sea and have every key mineral under the sun.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

According to a 2024 article in the International Journal of Sustainable Energy, Germany could have saved hundreds of billions of euros and reduced its carbon emissions by as much as 70% by embracing nuclear energy rather than rejecting it.

Good job German Greens! Well done! 👏👏👏

They are like the right wingers: ideology over facts. I bet if the conservatives win in the next election, fuck some other parts of the country but manage to introduce nuclear again, the next green government will go about undoing nuclear, regardless of its benefits.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The results of that article are at least highly questionable or straight up wrong though. The Fraunhofer Institute had a look at it, found wrong data and calculations and ended their response with

However, it does not seem expedient to make a detailed analysis of the data due to the fundamentally flawed method.

Source

[–] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago

Ok you'll have to explain how exactly that's the German greens fault. They were not in power when the decision fell to stop relying on nuclear power. Even if they really wanted to there are no plants that are operational right now. We'd need to renovate old ones for a lot of money or build new ones for even more money.

Additionally the specialized workforce needed to operate these plants isn't available. We stopped training new people for obvious reasons and it's not like we currently have a lot of skilled people in unemployment that could be recruited on short notice.

And again, nothing of that has been implemented by the greens. This is the result of conservatives being in power.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Never ever ever. Mainly because Germany is sooo bad with new tech, we don't need more juice :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

We can get more bang for our buck with renewables+storage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

No, we won't. A certain dude in the government made sure to cut 99% of the funds pertaining to the study of storing energy (i.e., batteries). It is the same dude who accused the Green Party for only making ideological policies. This is the state of stupidity in this country.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

We won't get batterys developed and built in Germany, but we can still buy them from others. But yeah, fuck the FDP and triple Fuck Linder, May his Porsche always be broken.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

I’m under the impression that large scale energy storage is a bit of an unsolved problem at this point, is that not the case?

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