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  • Hyundai is slowly backing away from the all-screen approach to interior design.
  • Hyundai Design North America Vice President Ha Hak-soo said that people "get stressed, annoyed and steamed when they want to control something in a pinch but are unable to do so."
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago

"Annoying", "serious safety hazard", safe difference, right?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I just got a new Hyundai and I think they already have the perfect amount of touch vs buttons. Everything you need to access has buttons, the things which would be too annoying to do during the drive are touch

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

a screen is good for navigation and music, basically it

[–] [email protected] 12 points 23 hours ago

Pretty much. Give me a screen for Android Auto so I can interact with my preferred navigation and media apps, and then just let me control the car.

Like, if you want to add a menu for low-level tweaking of stuff I don't need(or shouldn't change) while driving, sure(like suspension settings). But for everything else, AC, seat warmers, forward/reverse, windshield wipers, headlights, etc, I want a button or knob.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The problem is not touchscreens. It's the awful implementation. I have a Tesla(never again, ugh) and a Hyundai Ioniq5.

The Tesla has a fantastic touchscreen that integrates well with the car. Also no display behind the wheel. I'm tall, I can't see it.

Hyundai the rear seat warmers are buttons. My passengers are happy. The driver's warmer is buried in a touch screen menu. Which would be fine but the shitty screen takes a minute to boot up which means I can't adjust my seat until I've already driven off and now it's dangerous and fiddly.

In summary: I don't mind if it's touchscreen or not, it has to be fast and reactive.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tesla Model Y owner here (never again, either). I hate the touchscreen, and also hate the way they’ve shoehorned functionality into the button/scroller controls on the steering wheel to try to address complaints.

When I first got the MY, the only way to control things like the wipers was through menus in the touchscreen. A software update introduced the ability to control them from the steering wheel controls, but even that “solution” sucks. You have to press & hold the control down while simultaneously scrolling it with your thumb. And most times you can’t scroll it from all the way off to all the way on in a single motion, so you press, scroll as much as you can, release & press again then scroll the rest of the way. A real PITA.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Not being able to quickly change wiper speeds sounds like a bad idea.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Disagree.

Personally, I feel the problem is absolutely touchscreens.

I've only got five senses, and taste and smell aren't helpful in a driving situation.

Of the 3 left, sight is the most important for the most important task: driving.

For other tasks, sound is best used to alert or remind about something, and is frequently diminished as a driving aid by music.

That leaves touch and sight for all remaining tasks.

Touchscreens are, despite the name, effectively 100% reliant on sight, since there's no real tactile feedback to enable the user to make eyes-free adjustments. To use a touchscreen, you have to take your eyes off the road to see what the screen says and make your selections.

While some are better than others, I also feel like touchscreens are still embarrassingly and frustratingly prone to errors, missed touches, and generally not doing the things the user intended, requiring even more eyes off the road to undo whatever actually happened, get the interface back to the place you want it, and try again, hoping that this time it'll work.

My mid-teens vehicle has a mix of a medium sized touch screen for the entertainment unit but physical controls for climate, driving, and a few of the entertainment adjustments, and while I was all about the advanced new touchscreen when I bought it, I find it's my least favorite part of the controls this far along in ownership.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

taste and smell aren't helpful in a driving situation

How else will I know when I forgot to release my parking brake?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago

They get really spicy!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To have to navigate a screen to find a control is a traffic hazard. Also if it's just to play music.
Physical buttons are always ready to be pushed.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's a limit to how many physical buttons before it goes the other way. Hyundai are already at 'enough' and the Kias I've looked at have way too many.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago

I mean, it's all very subjective, so "too much" for you seems to be what is a good amount for everyone else...but realistically, I don't think this is a legitimate complaint since you still need to be able to make all these adjustments anyway... it's just a matter of the way the adjustments are being made.

All a touch screen changes is that it can play host to multiple functions depending on context...but it loses much of the visual recognition and almost all the tactile feedback of a physical control.

And while vehicles keep getting more and more complex for sure, I feel like when I'm riding in a more touchscreen heavy vehicle, that screen is displaying the same static set of controls 99% of the time...and at that point, the flexibility it offers is largely irrelevant, and the tradeoffs mean giving up a lot to get very little in exchange.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Congratulations on taking a fucking DECADE to realize what should've been FUCKING OBVIOUS from the start.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago

Design is science, they fail and go back. Doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different outcome is the definition of insanity.. Oh wait.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago

Absolutely my creed. In my industrial niche, touch screen never took hold - when your action is actually (or at least perceived) important, nobody wants to rely on touch screens.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not having touch anything is a selling point for me. Bonus points if I can roll up the window too.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Personally I prefer a mixture of both. Touch screen for anything you don't need to operate while driving and physical for everything else.

Android Auto navigation, car system/audio settings, clock and system management, etc should all be a touch screen so you aren't navigating through turning knobs and pressing up and down buttons to go through various menus like your programming a microwave.

Knobs and dials and buttons for anything to do with audio volume, skip/reverse tracks, etc. and air conditioning.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Automakers will read this comment and think that everyone wants voice control instead of touchscreens or buttons.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

My Prius has a voice control option built in already. The only time I've ever activated it is by accident because it's a steering wheel button. It's a 2016 Prius so I doubt it's able to do a whole lot anyway. Thankfully, most of the controls do not require the touch screen or voice control. None of the essential ones do.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Please unlock the door

Voice can not be authenticated please run calibration in the phone app

Open the door

Voice can not be authenticated please run calibration in the phone app

Ooopen theeee dooooor

Voice can not be authenticated please run calibration in the phone app

Unlock the door

Turning on cabin warmer

The door unlock it

Voice can not be authenticated please run calibration in the phone app

Open the door!

Voice can not be authenticated please run calibration in the phone app

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Voice can‽

Oh god, not this again....

PLEASE DRINK VOICEIFICATION CAN

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

Just to be completely clear then (and I'm sorry for yelling):

WE DON'T WANT VOICE CONTROL IN OUR CARS. AND IF YOU ADD AI WE'LL BURN YOU TO THE FUCKING GROUND.

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