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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

This is maddening. It will never stop. The democrats refuse to campaign on progressive policies, which are incredibly popular among the entire electorate (yes, also among republicans, see the recent ballot measures in Missouri on paid sick leave and higher minimum wage, for example), instead opting to position themselves as "republican light". They completely capitulate to republican messaging on pretty much every issue (border wall, fracking, pro war, etc), and predictably lose to the people who invented this messaging. And then comes the worst part: angry libs start blaming the electorate instead of the people who lost. It's not the lack of the dems even mentioning universal health care, no it's the trans people. It's not the genocide that the current democratic regime is committing, no it's probably actually latino voters. It's not the fact that the Harris campaign asks us to pretend everything is hunky spunky with the economy, offering nothing to relieve the 80% of the population who live paycheck to paycheck. Noooo you know what it's actually white women and muslims faults. You fucking morons.

Can't wait for the 2026 anti-transgender dem ticket, and the anti gay marriage ticket in 2028. It's gonna be great.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Money.. the big donors won't let them

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I would have fought tooth and nail to vote for Bernie Sanders.

As it stood, we moved during the voting period. The wife and I were registered neither in our home state or our new state and couldn't vote. Where we moved was deep red and it wouldn't have mattered, but I would have liked to give a formal middle finger to the dipshit-elect.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This, but unironically.

Trump was so bad that in a sane world a desiccated cat turd shoukd have beat him

The fact Harris lost doesn't mean shes a bad candidate, it means we don't live in a sane world.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Yeah I agree, it's the voters who are wrong. Can't wait to see how this strategy pans out next cycle!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Harris had concrete plans to tackle many, though not all, of the issues people actually care about. People voted for the man openly stating he will make those issues worse.

It's blatantly the fault of the voters. Until you people can get your heads out of your asses and join us in reality nothing will change.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Truth. We definitely need to nominate better voters next cycle.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, the voters voted in a way that made sense, given the information they had, which was either nothing - complete and utter lethargy, or a hyper-partisan distortion of reality reinforced by a multi-billion dollar propaganda industry backed by, among many others, the literally richest man on the planet in addition to an entire network of propaganda stations blasting disinformation 24/7. The voters being wrong is intentional and has been in the making for decades.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They did vote in a way that makes sense. The Harris campaign offered nothing in the way of economic relief, while committing genocide. That's an insanely bad proposition. Stop blaming voters and look at your dogshit candidates.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Trump offered less than nothing in the way of economic relief and he will accelerate the genocide. The voters didn't vote in a way that makes sense, and that is Harris's fault.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Be honest: you claim that Harris offers no economic relief because you yourself never bothered to look up her actual policies and you've been told that she has none. It's wild to even compare anything she's proposed to Trump's economic policies and conclude that she offers the general populace less when all Trump has done is to massively shift wealth from the bottom to the top and will most likely continue to do just that.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

It's kinda crazy to me that a sizable amount of people expect a perfect completely spotless candidate, or they don't vote and hand over the win to fascism.

In a rational world, Harris would have won without even doing a single rally, because the alternative is Trump and his cronies.

People generally don't realize that the only way to get an option to the left of the democrats is if Republicans no longer win elections. But with each "punishment", voters give the democrats, the Republicans' grip on power gets tighter and tighter, with more cronie judges, more gerrymandering, more voter purges, more ID rules, and more propaganda.

So, are the voters, or rather those who didn't vote, wrong? Fuck yes, for the reason that because of them, we now have Trump as the US president rather than him going to prison like he deserves. Of course they are wrong. How is that even a question?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

People generally don't realize that the only way to get an option to the left of the democrats is if Republicans no longer win elections.

Absofuckinglutely wrong. The number of Democrats still buying this bullshit is astounding. THIS is why you lose so damn much.

No Democratic candidate has had more support from right leaning voters than Bernie Sanders in the last 30 years. Explain that with your model. It's not just about some smooth gradient from left to right and capturing the middle. We are in a populist age. The people are totally fed up with the status quo.

It's disruptors that win, not whomever captures the center of a spectrum that only policy wonks even care about. Anyone who's chief concern is left vs right is already a decided voter.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

The voters aren’t wrong. It’s the non-voters that are wrong. Democracy should never be collateral for a protest..

EVER.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If the only reason you voted for trump as a form of ‘punishment’ towards dems, then yea that is on the voters. You should be voting for what helps you. Not to be a petty idiot.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

So the action plan is what? Cull the voters? Breed better voters?

The first job of a politician is to reach and convince voters. Harris had a billion dollars and didn't do it. Yes, the voters made bad choices, but blaming the voters is not a way forward. There is no escaping that we have to figure out what Harris could have done better. More precisely, shitlibs need to figure it out because progressives already know and have been screaming it from the rooftops for decades.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Unpopular opinion: Kamala was a solid candidate.

Biden was headed to a humiliating defeat. Another couple debates, and maybe he loses NY and CA and we have a Dukakis- or Mondale-level annhilation. Kamala stepped in and ran a solid campaign on very short notice. Trump didn't even have time to come up with a good nickname for her! She kicked his ass in their only debate, and he was literally too scared to do it again.

In the end, she lost by a couple hundred thousand votes in 3 states. She was wrong about Gaza and the economy, but PA, MI, and WI are credibly winnable in future elections. Kamala was not a garbage candidate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Unpopular opinion: Kamala was a solid candidate.

If that is an unpopular opinion then the statement is definitionally false.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What was solid about her? She lost to Trump of all people.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 days ago

Ask Fox News, they will do their best to give you a fair and balanced assessment of her policies and-

sorry, couldn't get through that sentence with a straight face.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, yes. Kamala was the way better choice of the two. Biden kinda fell off for me the moment he did the railroad strike stuff.

But I'm not living in the US, so my point is kinda moot.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Biden got those striking workers everything they wanted. He just didn't scream about it like Trump would have, which was a huge mistake.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think you are partially right. For starters.. this was not short notice by any standard. She ran a "solid" campaign.

I'd argue the campaign was flawed because the whole premise was flawed.. moving to the right does not help the democratic party. And the risk the Dems now face is that never trumpers join the democratic party and complete the transition of the US electoral system to a choice between maga (Christo fascism) and republican.

If the democratic party had an inkling that the victory of Trump would be as big as is now being said.. running Kamala was a doomed endeavor.. she was tainted by the Biden years.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Um...

the voters kinda did the nominating...

Edit: To clarify what I mean. People who voted in the Democratic primary didn't exactly vote for Biden, but voted for delegates that pledge to vote to Biden at the convention. Those delegates then can vote for who they think the people who voted for them would want when Biden dropped out. The delegates decided the voters would've wanted Harris since shes the VP, and that's probably what the voter would've want.

If you argue that Biden only won the 2024 nomination because of 2020. Well yea voters voted for him in 2020 too. 🤷‍♂️

People need to vote in primaries.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That doesn't sound like a very democratic process to begin with cause all the power is in the delegates who can just choose whoever they want and not follow the desires of the voters. Which is how pretty much the whole system works to begin with, so its pretty rotten even at the very bottom

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It doesn't sound democratic because thats is what America is. This system of an intermediate group of people between voters and the electer official is why America is the way is is today. ahem Electoral College ahem

If trump wasn't elected president in 2016, we would not even have this fascist mess to begin with.

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