God damn, people make me hate people.
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If democracy isn’t gone by then, she needs to run in 2028.
People want someone who will reform politics, get rid of the two party system and get billionaires and corporations to pay their unfair share for decades of exploitation of workers.
They will even give up their individual rights and vote for Trump to try and get it.
Now is the time for AOC, Bernie, Walz and Whitmer to form the SPA (Socialist Party for America)
She's already a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.
The SPA was renamed "Social Democrats, USA" in the 70's.
Time to revert to its roots.
Issue is a 3 party system is only going to give us a far right wing party, a right wing party and a centrist party that has to vote for right wing party or the far right wing party will win. A 3rd party won't help. Election reform has to happen first. The only thing we can hope for is a progressive movement inside the democratic party. That sweeps then getting election reform. Then we can get ranked choice or whatever system .
The democratic party has been effectively blocking the progressive movement since the bill Clinton days.
People have shown they are ready to vote against the establishment. Just look at how many Democrats and Independants voted for Trump.
This 3rd party needs to go strong left and not get baited into a compromise party.
So I wanna point out that while mathematically with FPTP a two party system is inevitable, which two parties aren't decided. They can and do get replaced.
Unfortunately it seems that some people don't want to get rid of the 2 party system. Here in Colorado we voted no 55 to 45 to switch to ranked choice voting. I'm very disappointed by those results.
I'll never understand why people think Trump is "less establishment". He's been a gazillionaire his whole life and backed by literally the richest man on earth. How more establishment can you get?
literally the richest man on earth
friendly reminder that Musk is not the richest man on earth.
he's the richest man on earth dumb enough to talk about it.
I mean, not just dumb enough to talk about it, anyone for whom most of their wealth is in publicly traded companies (which is most rich people) has public record of how much.
You understand that most people with significantly-sized investments start using things like LLCs and trusts to invest instead of just holding it in their name? sometimes you know who owns the LLC, most times you don't.
And the LLC owns the shares; so that's whose name goes on the ledger. the vast majority of even the modestly-rich spend a great deal of time, effort and money to ensure their privacy. Musk is one of the rare dumbasses that publicly broadcasts it. (probably because he's an insecure little bitch.)
Does that work when you also want to be in control of those companies? All the big CEOs I can think of directly own shares in their own companies.
yes, it does.
They may chose to not (for example, Musk,) but yes it does. And the LLCs offer a lot of other advantages. (like, if you split it into multiple LLCs, they technically have different reporting requirements. So. like. hostile take overs.)
The shares held by LLCs are still voting shares. and since you control the LLC, they vote the way you want. One of the big advantages is location- siting the LLC in someplace that has favorable regulations (maryland,) or tax structures (Florida, texas,) lets you live anywhere you want.
They also provide protection against lawsuits (for example, sachler family and purdue pharma.) and that protection goes both ways, (for example, Ruddie Ghouliani's troubles. they're used to hide assets. a forensic accountant might find it, but not before they get protected.)
But as for privacy; if you were careful setting it up- and hired a service out of maryland to answer the phones as a 'representative'- then all any one would know about the LLC is that number and that rep's office as the adress. (fun fact, there's like two addresses used for like... most... llcs because that service is useful.)
While you are technically correct (the best kind of correct), that does not subtract from the point.
Yup, Putin is probably richer and then you've got oil royalty as well whose wealth is unknown... Tesla is worth a lot, but how much is the Saudi's oil industry worth you think?
Putin and the Saudis
So what you're saying is, RandomStickman's "[Trump is] backed by literally the richest man on Earth" claim is true after all.
Well, I don't think that's what OP had in mind since Musk's financial involvement is a certainty and Putin's is speculative (lulz)
He's not part of that political elites circle, he's part of the rich kids circle. Why anyone thinks that is a substantial improvement is a mystery to me
E: the establishment political elite is allowing business to exploit people and take in billions! We need to stop electing them, let's instead elect the people directly benefiting from those fucked up policies! I'm sure they will vote against what made them and their friends rich and feel special and better than the plebs!
I might argue the rich kids circle is even worse than the political elites'. At least a politician has to occasionally throw their constituents a bone here or there.
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