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I've often assumed Harris didn't want to insult her boss by going against him, because I got the impression she was planning to give Netanyahu what for once she took over - especially with him escalating things further and further. Did anyone else get that vibe, or was it just wishful thinking on my part?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I've often assumed Harris didn't want to insult her boss by going against him, because I got the impression she was planning to give Netanyahu what for once she took over - especially with him escalating things further and further. Did anyone else get that vibe, or was it just wishful thinking on my part?

Wishful thinking. There’s no guarantee this happens. You would have just removed the most powerful motivator for her to do something about gaza while simultaneously demonstrating to her that she had no reason to do so. All the while AIPAC and the ADL are breathing down her back and offering her bribes not to. It would be like expecting me to build you a house after randomly sending 1 million dollars into my bank account. Why would I? I have the money now and have given you no guarantee that I would do so in the past. You’ll just see me chilling in the Bahamas.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Wishful thinking. Presidencies are always doing less than promised, never more.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Have people been keeping up on the news? Like privately Biden has been feuding with Netanyahu for months. It’s not like Biden is on board with what Netanyahu is doing. He’s been trying to change the course, but publicly attacking Netanyahu would have drawn a ton of fire from the right, which he was trying to avoid during the election season. It shocks me that people really think Biden is cheering this on.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

People will believe what is convenient for them to believe.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

He’s been trying to change the course, but publicly attacking Netanyahu would have drawn a ton of fire from the right,

Thank goodness they avoided pissing off the right, else Trump might have won.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

So let me get this straight: I'm supposed to vote for someone who thinks it is too politically inconvenient to be publically against an ongoing genocide? Who is sending arms and aid to a nation committing genocide??

There were snipers on the roof of my college because of the pro Palestinian protesters. Pro Palestinian protesters get lumped in with antisemites due to just having human empathy. The voters needed something more than what we saw in the news: furrowed brows, hand wringing, and money sent for bombs. Palestinians die wretched deaths even if you feel real bad about it.

I can imagine the energy that we all could have felt if Harris/Biden had actually did the right thing.

I voted for Harris by the way. Not because I expected she'd end the genocide, but because Trump isn't a statesman and can't be trusted if we get dragged into war.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Harris went from: The genocide in Gaza must be stopped at all costs

To: Israel has a right to dEfEnD iTsElF

Someone with a lot of money or influence got to her. I don't think she was going to changed position back, no.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I don't see why both those statements can't be true.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

We all know that when someone says “israel has a right to dEfEnD iTsElF” they intend for the statement to be a thought terminating cliche that supports maintaining the current status quo. That is, a genocide in Gaza.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is such an incorrect take. But disinformation is what the internet craves.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Why do people have this idea that the economy will do better under Trump? Where did this come from?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Or that Trump cares for the working class?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Trump inherited a great economy from Obama, but ran it into the ground. (His 2018 tax cuts, etc ..) Trump got out just as the consequences of his actions started to happen, just as Biden became president. This left Biden with a crashed economy which he worked hard to improve during his election (the US is considered the best and strongest economy after COVID).

Now, just because it's doing the best, it doesn't mean everyone is in the best shape. So people are just remembering that the economy on the surface looked better during Trump ) because of Obama) and looked worse during Biden (because of Trump) and assumed that the surface was the same underneath.

What will be really interesting is that the economy isn't as solid this time for Trump so he's most likely going to do even more economical damage to the US that will cause it to take even longer to fix for the next president(s).

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

I think whats missing from many analyses is the general unhappiness people have with the current system. People are suffering now under establishment politics and they don’t believe that more of the same will improve their lives (citing, justly, at least the past 16 years as an example). They are hungry for something radically different. Trump appeals to that sense of radical change on the right. The democrats have blocked their own left wing alternatives and stuck with running establishment candidates.

I don’t believe the economy will do better under trump. I don’t believe people will do better under trump. He is a fascist and his populism is all based on dangerous ideas and lies. However, I am also terminally online and politically engaged. I can easily imagine how someone less engaged can be duped by his lies. It is therefore essential that the democrats provide an alternative left-wing populist candidate that also promised genuine changes to the economic system. So that these voters have someone to turn to who isn’t trump or the inevitable future trump clones. But they’ll never allow that to happen. It threatens their donor class too much.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

From propaganda and ignorance.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Peoples lived experiences under Trump turned out to be better than their current ones under Biden, pretty simple. It's all vibes.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." -George Carlin

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I've read, oh, a dozen 'pretty simple' explanations that claimed to explain what has happened. All of them had merits.

I don't believe things are 'pretty simple' anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Apparently a multiple time bankrupt "billionaire" businessman knows more about finances than the average person.

This thought process really concerns me. We really are surrounded by some truly ass ignorant people.

At least they will suffer right along with the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

Generations of propaganda that "Republican = good economy" is my guess.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The responses to Ocasio-Cortez from split-ticket voters included:

  • "It's real simple… Trump and you care for the working class"
  • "Trump is going to get us the money and lets men have a voice. You're brilliant and have amazing passion!"
  • "I feel like Trump and you are both real."
  • "I know people that did this and it was bc of Gaza."
  • "You are focused on the real issues people care about. Similar to Trump populism in some ways."
  • "Because of Gaza"
  • "I voted Trump and dems because he reached out to Muslims"
[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

How in the fucking hell did Trump reach out to muslims?

And now Gaza has a snowball chance in hell to continue to exist.

Either these people are ultra dumb, or they gave bullshit answers.

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