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Following Donald Trump’s recent election victory, Google searches for “4B,” a South Korean feminist movement advocating a “no sex, no dating, no marriage, no children” stance, surged in the U.S.

The 4B movement, popular among young women on social media, promotes individual resistance against conservative politics and the erosion of reproductive rights.

The trend reflects a broader ideological divide between young men and women in the U.S., where women under 30 are significantly more liberal than men.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

This has literally been a thing for like... 60 years

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

fuck them…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And if you speak up on Politics Lemmy about feminism, or fight back against sexist men as a woman, mod Jordan Lund will build a case to ban you. He is a fascist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Self-selective removal of oneself and those of probable left-leaning male partners from the gene pool* is certainly one strategy left-leaning women could try in the fight for a political environment where their rights are protected and progress further. Probably a terrible strategy, but certainly one that could be chosen.

I respect any individual's bodily autonomy and am not trying to make a statement in favor of men having a right to access or anything like that. It's just an illogical movement if the goal is a society that has more individuals likely to support women's rights - the gamble that thirsty men of the left will somehow save the day or that it would affect men on the right is kind of silly unless we're assuming that there is a statistically meaningful amount of (secretly) left leaning women out there choosing right wing men as partners. (I wonder if anyone has tried to focus a campaign on seeing if the latter group exists in a sizable amount and can be convinced to be vote left - somebody should look into that and see how it works out. /s)

It's almost like 4B is something that the right wing would push to further their current advantage in household size in the US...

*I am not seriously implying politics are a matter of genetics (though parents commonly pass down their politics to children in their household via social means), but plenty of people on the right do believe in their own "good genes" versus the "bad genes" of the left and I'm leaning on their perspective for sarcastic effect here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, the whole concept of 4B only works if a vast majority of women are on the same page, and given the results from this election, they clearly are not.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

It was stolen.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

anti-natalism rules

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Wait for more polarisation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

They haven’t figured out that Conservatives see this as a huge win? No liberal babies…

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Idgaf. Why has this story been at the top of my feed for like 4 days now?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

To incite a civil war.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People are responding to it. Idk how you sort your feed, but if its by 'hot' or 'active' then your comment just helped bump it back up to the top.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago

Seems like propaganda. More gender war bullshit. Divide, divide, divide.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago

Typical media BS.

Found a story about a very small movement somewhere in the world than are blowing it out of proportion and saying this is actually a thing.

This is why Dems lost the election but the media thought they would win.

Fucking click bait sex sells story.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The first time you say no to someone you really want to be with, that is when the 4B life starts. Till then, it's just business as usual (I really hope you don't sleep with/date people you don't like!).

The life continues when you see them with someone else, and realise some things can't be undone. People move on, they're not static NPCs you can just reload and date later.

It goes ever on, life stops for no-one and it runs it's course far too soon. To those who choose that path, make sure you know where it leads.

Edit: nice catch apostrofail! I'll keep no-one though, I feel they need that special dash bond ;)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

not static NPCs*

for no *one

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No judgement, just curious, but is the idea here that conservative men should not be allowed to have sex since they don't respect women? All for it, agree 100%. But i have a hard time imagining a feminist being with that type of man anyways, since the majority of feminist Ive met have self respect. So then you're not sleeping with any men to punish them, and yourself, for conservative men? I feel like I'm missing something.

Or is this article just implying 4B is something completly different than what it actually is? You know, cuz clickbait isn't concerned with being factual...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

I think, and here the key word is think as this goes beyond my mandate so to speak, it's more an act of resistance. A bit like protesting, but with less risk.

I'd say the aim is to rallying over retribution, to push those "good men" into fighting more strongly. It's not a bad tactic, it'll be interesting to see how it pans out.

It's also not really that widespread, searches for it are up because it's making the rounds is all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

So democrats will swear off men reducing their population in the future while the cons just carry on like normal? This makes no sense.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

the 4B movement is just a bunch of TERFs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

What do you mean? How can a movement originated in the famously socially progressive utopia of South Korea possibly be anything but good for the long term prosperity and happiness of left leaning women in the US? /s

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