By definition absolutely. But most countries' "Liberal Party" is almost always conservative.
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The irony that you used that episode to emphasize your point is not lost on me.
It wasn't until Ron Paul was running for office that I learned that "liberal" was mostly used as a shorthand for "libertarian" and what a libertarian was. Before that I thought it just was a synonym for progressives/democrats. They're not left-wing. They're just not as far right as a fascist.
Liberal isn't shorthand for libertarian.
I disagree with Grue about Libertarianism, and also with you about the relation of the terms. Liberalism's definition is an ideology of personal freedoms and civil rights.
While that can be interpreted as deregulatory conservative by some, it is primarily a nonviolent ideology that protects disenfranchised.
Thats why its always so shocking to me to see tankies and anarchist thrashing Liberals on Lemmy. It's literally an ideology where people are treated fairly and equally. If they spoke out about specific Liberal Parties then I could hop onboard because those usually suck.
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Although liberalism and libertarianism share some important characteristics (strong emphasis on equality before the law and civil rights), they're not the same thing.
Notably, libertarianism can be left-wing in a way that liberalism cannot (e.g. anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-communism, green politics, etc.). Some left-libertarians even reject the concept of private property entirely.
Liberalism doesn't completely overlap with right libertarianism, either. Liberals are more willing to accept some authoritarian ideas, such as e.g. having a military to protect trade.
Hard disagree, Libertarians are conservative anti-tax Laissez-Faire dumpster fires. They can never be left. Deregulation is not progress.
As long as you keep capitalizing the name and refer to the American political party, I would agree. However, grue is objectively correct here. A very wide set of ideologies fall under libertarianism.
A wide swath of libertarians find even the idea of a political party objectionable, for example.
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So this election was lost hard because of infighting and the resulting apathy so great thanks for adding more infighting by shitting on the inferior "liberals"
When I hear "liberal" or "left" now, all I hear is, "infighting little bitches with 1,000 messages and no focus". I hear FAILURE.
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You're all equally left as far as the right is concerned.
Honestly, that's just it. You'll get people on the right using hyped rhetoric about "the left", "liberals", "leftists" and other synonyms that can be used to describe anyone from Hillary Clinton to AOC and beyond. Are there people (particularly in the "and beyond" category) that an average person may be concerned with? Sure. Are they clearly explaining that they don't mean half the country? Absolutely not.
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Americans are so divisive they love to hate even on their own side. No true leftists, according to all of them
I think european liberals would rather work with fascists than even collaborate with the left, let alone call themselves "left"... oh, wait, they do.
US liberals also would rather work with fascists, but they would call themselves left regardless.
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Most of the people in this thread:
I had one of those historical tour hosts look at me like I was an idiot because I didn't know the ins and outs of the fur trade. Lady, I don't go to bed at night thinking about 1800's economics. Just tell me what you know.
You should.
I hear it’s going to make a comeback soon.
I bought stocks in a bunch of fur trading companies.