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No more concessions to liberalism (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't understand the difference. What is this meme talking about?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Democrats and moderates are blaming leftists because they believe that because of their stances on Gaza and other issues that leftists didn't vote for them. They are unable to reflect on why they actually lost and don't realize the thousand plus issues with their own party so they are working overtime to try and shift the blame. They ran the most unappealing campaign since Clinton and independents didn't show up or actively voted against her.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"I like center-left policies"

"I like my policies further to the left"

"Aight let's fight and make sure as few people as possible vote"

Meanwhile, the conservatives are laughing all the way to the bank.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, the Bush/Gore race ended so poorly we never got a Democratic candidate that was left of center again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

That started with Bill Clinton who intentionally and very openly ran towards the right. Al Gore was more of the same.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The third panel should say "I prefer Trump to Harris"

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fucking too true.

Argued till I was blue in the face right here on Lemmy about sitting out and voting third party. The entire time I was thinking those who are fine with Trump must either be stupid or privileged so as not to be as affected by his bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

You'll be blue in the face 'til the end of time, 'cuz you're still trying to blame the electorate for the failures of the party. Your conception of how voting works is so backwards you think that the party is owed the allegiance of the people rather than the people being owed the faithful representation of their interests regardless of who is in power.

"The Democrats can't fail, they can only be failed!" That's you. That's what you sound like.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If you couldn't see that one of the two parties would end up in power then you are the problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If you think that what happened before must inevitably happen again then you are the problem. The major parties only win because they have people like you convinced that they are the only option.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So how did voting third party work for you? Did they win?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I voted for Harris, how did that work for me? Did she win?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago

Wow, if only you'd voted for the Greens they would have won

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And I wish I had a million dollars. It's just not reality.

People should be smart enough to work backward from a foregone conclusion: We're getting the Dem or Rep nominee. Picking the best of your two options is logical. Anything else is wishing. Grow up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

There's no "wishing" going on here. I'm explaining how your concept of voting has cause and effect reversed and you're pretending that it's "wishes" instead of basic political literacy.

People should be smart enough to work backward from a foregone conclusion: We're getting the Dem or Rep nominee.

Not if the voters vote for someone else. You're only assuming that the two major parties are inevitable because you're drinking their kool-aid.

If they can't convince people to vote for them then they lose. It's on them to convince us, but you've already decided that they don't need to because they're owed your vote. You have deliberately rejected your civic duty to the nation in favor of blind obedience to the party just like Washington warned us about.

Grow up.

You first.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Damn that’s crazy because here’s me before the election telling the future. How in the world did I perform this feat? Do I have amazing powers of precognition?

Again, you’re telling us what you’d wish would happen. I was telling them what would happen.

What's more is this is a concept that both the GOP and their voters understand. It's why the GOP funds campaigns like Stein and gets others like RFK Jr. to bow out. Everyone who doesn't understand this should be deeply embarrassed to misunderstand something about the US election system that Donald fucking Trump understands. And he dumb as shit.

See you in 4 years when the next president is the Dem or Rep nominee. *holds hands at temples, activating powers of foresight*

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Damn that’s crazy because here’s me before the election telling the future. How in the world did I perform this feat? Do I have amazing powers of precognition?

Did you ever write to your congressional representatives like they suggested?

Again, you’re telling us what you’d wish would happen. I was telling them what would happen.

If the result was inevitable then the voters have no agency and are in no way responsible for the outcome.

What's more is this is a concept that both the GOP and their voters understand.

You're giving the most heavilly propagandized segment of the most heavily propagandized country on earth a lot of credit when they can't even seem to understand that a tarrif is a tax on imports.

It's why the GOP funds campaigns like Stein and gets others like RFK Jr. to bow out.

You mean like how the Democrats promoted Trump thinking that he'd be an easy win for Hillary?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Did you ever write to your congressional representatives like they suggested?

No, because I don't support a weapons ban. That's beside the point.

If the result was inevitable then the voters have no agency and are in no way responsible for the outcome.

I think you're smart enough to know how a FPTP voting system works. We had 2 real options. Voters have agency as to which one of the two are elected. Stop pretending like you don't understand how this works.

You’re giving the most heavily propagandized segment of the most heavily propagandized country on earth a lot of credit when they can’t even seem to understand that a tarrif is a tax on imports.

How sad is it then that this group understands this better than you pretend to?

You mean like how the Democrats promoted Trump thinking that he’d be an easy win for Hillary?

No, it would be like funding a third party candidate that is close to Trump with the express purpose of peeling votes off Trump.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

No, because I don't support a weapons ban. That's beside the point.

On the contrary, that's precisely the point.

Why do you keep acting like people who don't support the things you do are obligated to support your preferred candidate?

If the result was inevitable then the voters have no agency and are in no way responsible for the outcome.

I think you're smart enough to know how a FPTP voting system works.

Indeed, the party with the most votes wins.

We had 2 real options. Voters have agency as to which one of the two are elected. Stop pretending like you don't understand how this works.

This proves that we don't share political perspectives, because there were no real options. Just the inevitable and the also-rans.

You’re giving the most heavily propagandized segment of the most heavily propagandized country on earth a lot of credit when they can’t even seem to understand that a tarrif is a tax on imports.

How sad is it then that this group understands this better than you pretend to?

There's no "understanding" involved, as proved by the fact that those people voted for higher prices out of "economic anxiety". You just don't want to admit that the Republican party is better at convincing people to vote for it than the Democrats.

No, it would be like funding a third party candidate that is close to Trump with the express purpose of peeling votes off Trump.

They do that too, hence the Libertarian party.

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