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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Didn't China just had a huge crisis in the property market?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

It seems they overbuilt on purpose, which seems like a great idea if you care more about shelter for the population than the financial wellbeing of the speculators.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not really, the government wound down the real estate market intentionally to refocus the economy on tech and industry.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ah okey, so they acted on a non-issue than?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

They acted to prevent an issue from developing. This is the whole purpose of having a government. It pays attention to what's happening in the country overall, and guides the economy towards positive outcomes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Property speculation crashed. It wasn't a homelessness crisis, but an intentional popping of a speculative bubble because Capitalists got greedy and homes were too expensive.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Isn't the housing situation significantly worse in China? You put entire down payments and then pay the mortgage for the house to still yet be built. And last year so many defaults happened that no houses were being built and no one was being returned their money when they wanted out.

The grass is not greener on their side. It's still fucked, just a different fucked.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Those are the speculative houses xi is arguing against here. China doesn't have involuntary homeless, that's mainly why 'ghost' cities were built. Now the private housing market is fucked right now, and there's a good chance there will never be privately built homes again in China. But that has nothing to do with the housing supply, and does not affect homeownership or housing rates

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (3 children)

no, 0% of chinese own their home, it's a lease from the state

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You do know that every house belongs to the government in case of need, right? In every country (except maybe Somalia).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

https://peoplesdispatch.org/2023/07/10/why-are-there-no-slums-in-china/

What is the “hukou” system and what does it have to do with socialism?

One unique characteristic of China’s urbanization process is that, although policies encouraged migration to cities for industrial and service jobs, rural residents never lost their access to land in the countryside. In the 1950s, the Communist Party of China (CPC) led a nationwide land reform process, abolishing private land ownership and transforming it into collective ownership. During the economic reform period, beginning in 1978, a “Household Responsibility System” (家庭联产承包责任制 jiātíng lián chǎn chéngbāo zérèn zhì) was created, which reallocated rural agricultural land into the hands of individual households. Though agricultural production was deeply impacted, collective land ownership remained and land was never privatized.

Today, China has one of the highest homeownership rates in the world, surpassing 90 percent, and this includes the millions of migrant workers who rent homes in other cities. This means that when encountering economic troubles, such as unemployment, urban migrant workers can return to their hometowns, where they own a home, can engage in agricultural production, and search for work locally. This structural buffer plays a critical role in absorbing the impacts of major economic and social crises. For example, during the 2008 global financial crisis, China’s export-oriented economy, especially of manufactured goods, was severely hit, causing about 30 million migrant workers to lose their jobs. Similarly, during the COVID-19 pandemic, when service and manufacturing jobs were seriously impacted, many migrant workers returned to their homes and land in the countryside.

Beyond land reform, a system was created to manage the mass migration of people from the countryside to the cities, to ensure that the movement of people aligned with the national planning needs of such a populous country. Though China has had some form of migration restriction for over 2,000 years, in the late 1950s, the country established a new “household registration system” (户口 or hùkǒu) to regulate rural-to-urban migration. Every Chinese person has an assigned urban or rural hukou status that grants them access to social welfare benefits (subsidized public housing, education, health care, pension, and unemployment insurance, etc.) in their hometown, but which are restricted in the cities they move to for work. While reformation of the hukou system is ongoing, the lack of urban hukou status forces many migrant parents to spend long periods away from their families and they must leave their children in their grandparents’ care in their hometowns, referred to as “left-behind children” (留守儿童 liúshǒu értóng). Though the number has been decreasing over the years, there are still an estimated seven million children in this situation. Today, 65.22 percent of China’s population lives in cities, but only 45.4 percent have urban hukou. Although this system deterred the creation of large urban slums, it also reinforced serious inequities of social welfare between urban and rural areas, and between residents within a city based on their hukou status.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

they're made to last 50 years. Expensive houses are falling apart

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

My president fidel-salute

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Im not sure we should be listening to this guy of all people, but i cosign the message still

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Im not sure we should be listening to this guy

Why?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

-Weaponizing tiktok to try and make his own people more educated and the rest of everyone stupid -Putting stupid laws disabling teens from playing videogames more than like a couple hrs a week -The whole thing where any chinese owned company has to report to ccp and lie if ever investigated -Didnt he call Islam a mental disease and put muslims in concentration camps? I agree with the first part but locking ppl up and torturing them is crazy -You know, the whole great firewall of china where you cant watch content from huge paltforms like youtube, arent religious books like quran and bible banned too? Imagine a world leader being so insecure you gotta ban a teddy bear cus you look like him😭

I could probably think of a bunch more or look some up, trust me, this guy aint it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

trust me, this guy aint it.

Since what you said was either completely unture or not a bad thing, no I'm not going to trust you. You might want to do some investigation before speaking

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Religious books are not banned. There are millions of christians in China. There are millions of Muslims in China. Reducing hours of video game playing could greatly assist with insane amount of hours that come with game addiction. It probably needs workshopped more but I personally think this change in coordination with providing youth with solid after school programs and activities would be good for long-term health and well being. That TikTok thing is BS. People in China watch just as much brainrot on douyin. Winnie the Pooh is beloved by people in China. Literally go around for five minutes and you'll see his face plastered on shirts bags and as stuffed animals. As for the companies, this is good if true. Fuck companies doing whatever they want and hurting people. I hope they continue to have significant government oversight.

Xinjiang is a more complex situation but if you look into it all accusations of genocide come from one source, Adrian Zens. He's a CIA asset who claims god revealed to him that it's his mission to destroy China. I'm gonna listen to the Muslim countries (and the UN) that came and inspected the region and said nah it's chill.

Have you ever talked to someone from there? I have and just asking them about this shit is really useful for learning that 80 percent of this stuff is untrue, and 20 percent is misconstrued.

That's the thing, if a lie is a big as the ones you present here, everyone would know. Yet here we are and the average person from china will complain about a lot of things but never the things you brought up here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Being obligated to send user information to any government while lying about it when investigated is objectively bad bruh what are u talking about😭 also the gaming hours thing is just plain dystopian activity... can chinese people connect to youtube, fcebook, reddit etc? + can they openly criticize the establishment and discuss controversial topics like tiananmen square, tankman?. How legal are vpns and other privacy tools? Cant really complain about the government when any and all complaints can put you in danger.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

can they openly criticize the establishment and discuss controversial topics like tiananmen square, tankman?

have you ever seen the full tank guy footage? here it is, if you're curious: https://youtu.be/qq8zFLIftGk the man is able to stop in the street, climb on the tank, talk to the operator, and walks away completely unharmed

compare this to NYPD officers, who simply run protesters over: https://youtu.be/q-W-7WPWfE4

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The Great Firewall serves as a protectionist policy to encourage Chinese citizens to use China's own platforms to help build China's technological sovereignty while also filtering out a lot of reactionary crap. The Chinese people use VPNs to access YouTube and such all the time. I recommend watching Ben Norton's video on his experience living in China as he does talk about the Great Firewall and its purpose.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Fair enough ima download and take a look when can👍

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Look man I'm not gonna respond to anymore of this stuff. I just want to point out that most of what you said the first time is untrue and then you just double down and list a bunch of other things as truisms.

Be a little critical of narratives about places you know nothing about yeah?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Least obvious psyop.. having winniexinping tell u u cant play games after your designated bedtime is crazy..

This advice of yours goes both ways yeah?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Go read up on videogame addiction. Reduces grey matter in the brain. Having socially isolated kids who only play games alone is damaging. Having kids touch grass in order to help avoid that is good.

"Least obvious psyop" after spewing straight up BS. Okay lol

I'm done goodbye

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